Smitty-48 wrote:Oh, the only scenario where I would have at you, mate, would be as my prison bitch, and I wouldn't bother to ask, make no mistake.
As me ol' Da used to say "if they ever lock me up for the duration, all bets are off..."
1. Or something close to it.ssu wrote: How could I say this that it the message would go through...
1) Your asking of their version of PNAC with no Russian sources???Or do you mean sources in English? Perhaps it's more fitting in the "Europe boring, until it isn't thread" as there are the doctrines in English and some key advisors with texts in English.
2) The Kremlin isn't open about it's intension, and it doesn't talk about it's objectives and intensions like the some arrogant American politicians use ordinary e-mail to talk sensitive stuff, so there's not so much similar Wikileaks stuff. The investigative journalist end up dead in Russia, you know.
3) There isn't exactly a similar culture as in Washington DC of leaking sensitive information to give the appearance of being at the centre of things in the Kremlin.
The US tries to be a democracy, and in many ways it's governance is far more open than the EU has, which mimics French governance customs.
A small anecdote about the subject would perhaps be fitting in the Mess:
I participated in a seminar where there was the top brass of the Navy (except the Commander of the Navy) alongside the Estonian commander of their navy and the number 2. of the Swedish navy. The talk was about Russia and it's intensions. The Finnish view about it was given By an Finnish Intel officer now in an academic position, who adamantly emphasized that everything was his only own personal views and everything was from public sources, which gave me the impression knowing active Finnish officers, that this was the real deal for a selected audience. And his speech sounded uh... a bit like Smitty talking. And it gave a logical answer just why Russia is doing those "snap-excersizes". One retired high ranking officer remarked from back of the audience: "What else is new under the sun?". The Intel Officer agreed, not much had changed from the views of the old Cold War times.
Btw. the difference between a NATO country and a non-NATO country was obvious in the meeting. The Estonian Commander of the Navy (of a very small fleet, yes) held a talk that when like this: "Russians are doing this, Russians doing that,... Russia, Russia, Russia". And he replied once to a question from some ignorant participant as why he was so hawkish about Russia with: "Been there, seen it."
The no 2. of the Swedish Navy however basically had a line: "The situation in the Baltic has become more tense." Yep, a non-aligned state, at least officially.
I could not give a flying fuck about whatever these mess rules are unless a mod writes it down. There are no issues around which the press has almost dictatorial rigidity for some weird reason?Smitty-48 wrote: Well you're of course free to employ logic, but "I don't like the sources, I want other sources to be cherry picked to my confimation bias" is of course a logically fallacious position in of itself, and glaringly so.
A gentleman's word is not the law, but in the Mess, a gentleman's word is sufficient for the purposes of discussion, there are formalities in the Mess, but as it is not a courts martial, none of them are related to providing evidence in the dock.
I'd say you're vastly overrating your importance to the thread, and the ramifications of not giving a "flying fuck" about what you say. The rules are what the members choose to follow, if you don't follow them, you're not one us, if you're not one of us, you don't matter.Hwen Hoshino wrote:I could not give a flying fuck about whatever these mess rules are unless a mod writes it down. There are no issues around which the press has almost dictatorial rigidity for some weird reason?
I can carry on without missing a beat also. I am sure this we would be an incredibly irrelevant number anyways. Based on my limited experience i don't to be in the same group with you anyways.Smitty-48 wrote:I'd say you're vastly overrating your importance to the thread, and the ramifications of not giving a "flying fuck" about what you say. The rules are what the members choose to follow, if you don't follow them, you're not one us, if you're not one of us, you don't matter.Hwen Hoshino wrote:I could not give a flying fuck about whatever these mess rules are unless a mod writes it down. There are no issues around which the press has almost dictatorial rigidity for some weird reason?
You can spam up the thread with your aspie trolling till you're blue in the face; big whoop, we can carry on without missing a beat.
I'm not trying to stop you, but since you're trying to hijack the thread and make it about you, I'm not going to bother with granting you any good faith therein, thus, any arguments you attempt to make, are in essence, spam. Eye for an eye, shitpost for shitpost, as you like, it's no skin off my teeth.Hwen Hoshino wrote:I can carry on without missing a beat also. I am sure this we would be an incredibly irrelevant number anyways. Based on my limited experience i don't to be in the same group with you anyways.Smitty-48 wrote:I'd say you're vastly overrating your importance to the thread, and the ramifications of not giving a "flying fuck" about what you say. The rules are what the members choose to follow, if you don't follow them, you're not one us, if you're not one of us, you don't matter.Hwen Hoshino wrote:I could not give a flying fuck about whatever these mess rules are unless a mod writes it down. There are no issues around which the press has almost dictatorial rigidity for some weird reason?
You can spam up the thread with your aspie trolling till you're blue in the face; big whoop, we can carry on without missing a beat.
Smitty-48 wrote:I'm not trying to stop you, but since you're trying to hijack the thread and make it about you, I'm not going to bother with granting you any good faith therein, thus, any arguments you attempt to make, are in essence, spam.Hwen Hoshino wrote:I can carry on without missing a beat also. I am sure this we would be an incredibly irrelevant number anyways. Based on my limited experience i don't to be in the same group with you anyways.Smitty-48 wrote: I'd say you're vastly overrating your importance to the thread, and the ramifications of not giving a "flying fuck" about what you say. The rules are what the members choose to follow, if you don't follow them, you're not one us, if you're not one of us, you don't matter.
You can spam up the thread with your aspie trolling till you're blue in the face; big whoop, we can carry on without missing a beat.
Don't know, honestly bored with Syria, not even following it anymore. Wake me up when somebody crosses the Article V line.Xenophon wrote:Can someone explain to me why Turkey would declare that they want to overthrow Assad weeks after attempting to normalize relations with Russia?
Nothing serious yet. This new Smitty is well restrained. I got much worse when I first met him.DrYouth wrote:So relations between Hwen and Smitty have broken down...
Anyone want to throw me the "coles notes" on the content here...
THis is a long thread - maybe just a key page number or two.
