Before Drug Prohibition, There Was the War on Calico

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Cui bono?

Protectionism, same as it ever was.

Before Drug Prohibition, There Was the War on Calico
In 18th century France, wearing the wrong fabric could get you in big trouble.

On a shopping trip to the butcher's, young Miss la Genne wore her new, form-fitting jacket, a stylish cotton print with large brown flowers and red stripes on a white background. It got her arrested.

Another young woman stood in the door of her boss' wine shop sporting a similar jacket with red flowers. She too was arrested. So were Madame de Ville, the lady Coulange, and Madame Boite. Through the windows of their homes, law enforcement authorities spotted these unlucky women in clothing with red flowers printed on white. They were busted for possession.

It was Paris in 1730, and the printed cotton fabrics known as toiles peintes or indiennes—in English, calicoes, chintzes, or muslins—had been illegal since 1686. It was an extreme version of trade protectionism, designed to shelter French textile producers from Indian cottons. Every few years the authorities would tweak the law, but the fashion refused to die.
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To the mercantilist argument that permitting domestic calico production would be good for French industry, economic liberals added a novel point. The law was unjust, penalizing the many for the benefit of the few. "Is it not strange," wrote the Abbé André Morellet in a 1758 tract against the ban, "that an otherwise respectable order of citizens solicits terrible punishments such as death and the galleys against Frenchmen, & does so for reasons of commercial interest? Will our descendants be able to believe that our nation was truly as enlightened and civilized as we now like to say when they read that in the middle of the eighteenth century a man in France was hanged for buying in Geneva at 22 sous what he was able to sell in Grenoble for 58?"
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There were jobs for the textile workers to move into that were not at risk of being automated. Also, I'm sure the Indians didn't dump all those dies and treating chemicals into the local water supply.... :D

I get what you're trying to do - but methinks you're still underestimating the impact of AI.

If you want to apply it to legalization - then by all means....cheaper to pay the medical bills of addicts than to fight the WAR ON DRUGS and Illegal Immigration.
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Zlaxer wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 10:21 am If you want to apply it to legalization - then by all means....cheaper to pay the medical bills of addicts than to fight the WAR ON DRUGS and Illegal Immigration.
But people would still be getting high, and nannies can't abide that.
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Politicians make criminals out of everyone.

To Evade Pre-Prohibition Drinking Laws, New Yorkers Created the World’s Worst Sandwich
NEAR THE END OF THE 19th century, New Yorkers out for a drink partook in one of the more unusual rituals in the annals of hospitality. When they ordered an ale or whisky, the waiter or bartender would bring it out with a sandwich. Generally speaking, the sandwich was not edible. It was “an old desiccated ruin of dust-laden bread and mummified ham or cheese,” wrote the playwright Eugene O’Neill. Other times it was made of rubber. Bar staff would commonly take the sandwich back seconds after it had arrived, pair it with the next beverage order, and whisk it over to another patron’s table. Some sandwiches were kept in circulation for a week or more.

Bar owners insisted on this bizarre charade to avoiding breaking the law—specifically, the excise law of 1896, which restricted how and when drinks could be served in New York State. The so-called Raines Law was a combination of good intentions, unstated prejudices, and unforeseen consequences, among them the comically unsavory Raines sandwich.
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Fife wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:00 am Politicians make criminals out of everyone.

To Evade Pre-Prohibition Drinking Laws, New Yorkers Created the World’s Worst Sandwich
Meanwhile, the politicians had no such regulation. Throughout prohibition the elites who enacted the law were not subject to it. The wealthy families hosted politicians with good booze just as always. Their homes were off limits to the cops. Just as today. Recently Hunter Biden made the news for having drugs and a crack pipe in his rental car. No charges filed.
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Fife wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:00 am Politicians make criminals out of everyone.

To Evade Pre-Prohibition Drinking Laws, New Yorkers Created the World’s Worst Sandwich
NEAR THE END OF THE 19th century, New Yorkers out for a drink partook in one of the more unusual rituals in the annals of hospitality. When they ordered an ale or whisky, the waiter or bartender would bring it out with a sandwich. Generally speaking, the sandwich was not edible. It was “an old desiccated ruin of dust-laden bread and mummified ham or cheese,” wrote the playwright Eugene O’Neill. Other times it was made of rubber. Bar staff would commonly take the sandwich back seconds after it had arrived, pair it with the next beverage order, and whisk it over to another patron’s table. Some sandwiches were kept in circulation for a week or more.

Bar owners insisted on this bizarre charade to avoiding breaking the law—specifically, the excise law of 1896, which restricted how and when drinks could be served in New York State. The so-called Raines Law was a combination of good intentions, unstated prejudices, and unforeseen consequences, among them the comically unsavory Raines sandwich.
Good little history bit. :clap: :clap:
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C-Mag wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 7:33 am
Fife wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:00 am Politicians make criminals out of everyone.

To Evade Pre-Prohibition Drinking Laws, New Yorkers Created the World’s Worst Sandwich
Meanwhile, the politicians had no such regulation. Throughout prohibition the elites who enacted the law were not subject to it. The wealthy families hosted politicians with good booze just as always. Their homes were off limits to the cops. Just as today. Recently Hunter Biden made the news for having drugs and a crack pipe in his rental car. No charges filed.
Just to be real, that "surely you don't mean us?" exceptionalism applies to the entire upper class, not just the political class. And it's for everything, like taxes. It's American as Apple Pie. I as posted elsewhere, Ben Franklin and the PA Colonial Legislature did battle with the Penn family in the 1750's trying to get them to pay taxes like everyone else, they claimed they were immune.
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Fife wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2019 6:00 am Politicians make criminals out of everyone.

To Evade Pre-Prohibition Drinking Laws, New Yorkers Created the World’s Worst Sandwich
NEAR THE END OF THE 19th century, New Yorkers out for a drink partook in one of the more unusual rituals in the annals of hospitality. When they ordered an ale or whisky, the waiter or bartender would bring it out with a sandwich. Generally speaking, the sandwich was not edible. It was “an old desiccated ruin of dust-laden bread and mummified ham or cheese,” wrote the playwright Eugene O’Neill. Other times it was made of rubber. Bar staff would commonly take the sandwich back seconds after it had arrived, pair it with the next beverage order, and whisk it over to another patron’s table. Some sandwiches were kept in circulation for a week or more.

Bar owners insisted on this bizarre charade to avoiding breaking the law—specifically, the excise law of 1896, which restricted how and when drinks could be served in New York State. The so-called Raines Law was a combination of good intentions, unstated prejudices, and unforeseen consequences, among them the comically unsavory Raines sandwich.
We had the same in Sweden during the liquor rationing period (1917–1955). Restaurants had to serve a meal with an order for drinks. The maximum ration of liquor in a restaurant for men was 10cl of clear spirits and 5cl of brown usually served as 5cl shots. A standard order back then was ”Two white, one brown, La Paloma and the bill". La Paloma (Spanish for The Dove) was the meal that kept flying back and forth from the kitchen without being eaten, usually a bowl of soup, some stew or an egg. If someone wanted to actually eat they had to mention it so they got a fresh meal.

People who wanted to drink more could employ a "food sacrifice". That was someone they brought along that gave their spirits ration to the host in exchange for a free meal. Poor people would stand outside restaurants and offer this service. Officers regularly brought along some conscripts in order to drink their ration.
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The fuck is a cl? I'm not even joking, what the fuck?
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TheReal_ND wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2019 7:33 am The fuck is a cl? I'm not even joking, what the fuck?
Centiliter

10 cl = 3.38 US fl oz
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