THE ERA OF TRUMP

[BjornP]

According to the Daily Beast, Obama has a team of people talking with Iran to oppose the Trump Admin policies on Iran

https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-obam ... rumps-bait

Obama is being awesome.

[PartyOf5]

He's probably promising them more pallets of cash.

[C-Mag]

According to the Daily Beast, Obama has a team of people talking with Iran to oppose the Trump Admin policies on Iran

https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-obam ... rumps-bait

Obama is being awesome.

OK, how.

[BjornP]

According to the Daily Beast, Obama has a team of people talking with Iran to oppose the Trump Admin policies on Iran

https://www.thedailybeast.com/team-obam ... rumps-bait

Obama is being awesome.

OK, how.

Iran doesn't practise and fund the world's most hateful, anti-Western, radical and destructive form of Islam that's ever existed on Earth. Nor is Iran as oppressive as SA. It's oppressive, sure, but not as batshit fucking insane as SA. But absolutely most importantly:

It doesn't friggin export its brand of crazy.

SA's Wahhabianism is the 21st century's version of Global Communism. To support SA is to oppose Western civilization because they're funding thousands of subversive mosques, imams, and literature amongst European and American Muslims, turning them in the most absolute, extreme way possible against democracy and liberty values.

Shia Muslims are best Muslims. The only "threat" they pose, is as a "threat" to SA (and Israeli) geopolitical dominance in the area, which US governments think are in their interests, too. What good has SA and Israel pulled off in the region, at all? What benefit does SA wanting to establish itself and it's doomsday cult version of Islam as the dominant regional hegemon, bring to the US?

Look at how effectively you patched things up with Vietnam. They're the most pro-US country in Asia now. You should do the same with Iran. Flip the board. Make them your friends, make them ditch their Russian buddies which they sometimes don't seem to trust, either anyway. They might even patch things up with Israel, like put pressure on Assad, if you supported them against SA...

[C-Mag]

I don't give a shit if Obama is right about any certain policy, not his job and it's fucking illegal, even treasonous for him to be back dealing with countries.

There does not need to be any explanation of the policy dealing with Iran on this. BHO is fucking wrong to be doing it, if in fact he is.


Isn't Democracy supposed to be about the peaceful transfer of power to newly elected leaders ?
Well, this is about not giving up power.

[Speaker to Animals]

Treasonous and very illegal.

[BjornP]

I don't give a shit if Obama is right about any certain policy, not his job and it's fucking illegal, even treasonous for him to be back dealing with countries.

There does not need to be any explanation of the policy dealing with Iran on this. BHO is fucking wrong to be doing it, if in fact he is.


Isn't Democracy supposed to be about the peaceful transfer of power to newly elected leaders ?
Well, this is about not giving up power.

A former president urging Iran not to raise tensions is not even remotely undermining of the new president or... "treasonous". Your expectation of former presidents needing to suck Trump's dick, that everyone is forbidden from questioning him, or they're suddenly "treasonous" is ridiculous and totalitarian. A president is not in fact a god-emperor, despite the hilarity of that particular meme. If any politician, or former president wants to undermine the ruling president, that's every bit his civic right as it is yours.

You're becoming more and more like Monte in your unquestioning, let's be nice and call it "loyalty" to people in positions of political office. Questioning the policies of the State (Trump), even undermining his politics, is not "treason". Just like US conservative politicians, journalists, pundits, bloggers, and yourself were not "treasonous" when you were undermining him during the Benghazi thing.

[C-Mag]

You sure lightened up what the article said is happening. Obama is undermining the POTUS.


It's illegal, the article even states that.

[BjornP]

You sure lightened up what the article said is happening. Obama is undermining the POTUS.


It's illegal, the article even states that.

Oh dear god no, Obama is undermining the POTUS. How very outrageous. Doesn't he know that a citizen is supposed to do obey his president, that he is The Commander in Chief... of all citizens and all citizens obliged to follow his command? Wonn muss alvayz ahbey dass Prezident, Jawohl Mein herr.

Ah well, if the article states it, I guess they must be right. The media is, after all, trustworthy... I guess. Now.

If it's illegal, I'm sure there'll be a criminal case, anytime soon. *cough* Assuming it is illegal, though, it's also illegal for British Brexit politicians to manipulate voters with hyperbolic ads on busses, it seems. Making it illegal to "undermine" a president is even worse than the thing several people regularly attack Monte's Britain for. But hey, like with my opinion of Britain... if you want to be good, little authoritarian sheep, I've no problem with that. Your country, your ass, your decisions, your consequences.

[clubgop]

Obama is being awesome.

OK, how.

Iran doesn't practise and fund the world's most hateful, anti-Western, radical and destructive form of Islam that's ever existed on Earth. Nor is Iran as oppressive as SA. It's oppressive, sure, but not as batshit fucking insane as SA. But absolutely most importantly:

It doesn't friggin export its brand of crazy.

SA's Wahhabianism is the 21st century's version of Global Communism. To support SA is to oppose Western civilization because they're funding thousands of subversive mosques, imams, and literature amongst European and American Muslims, turning them in the most absolute, extreme way possible against democracy and liberty values.

Shia Muslims are best Muslims. The only "threat" they pose, is as a "threat" to SA (and Israeli) geopolitical dominance in the area, which US governments think are in their interests, too. What good has SA and Israel pulled off in the region, at all? What benefit does SA wanting to establish itself and it's doomsday cult version of Islam as the dominant regional hegemon, bring to the US?

Look at how effectively you patched things up with Vietnam. They're the most pro-US country in Asia now. You should do the same with Iran. Flip the board. Make them your friends, make them ditch their Russian buddies which they sometimes don't seem to trust, either anyway. They might even patch things up with Israel, like put pressure on Assad, if you supported them against SA...

What the fuck are you talking about? It doesnt export its brand of crazy? Hezbollah ring a bell? The Quds force? That current regime is not flippible propping it up wont help anybody, it must be undermined and it must be opposed. We will not outbid the Russians. As for SA, the House of Saud is a corrupt crime family with some tribal leanings, if you think getting rid of the House of Saud is going to lead to the death or the stagnation of wahhabism that is some fairy tale shit. They are the best of horrible options. It will be replaced by ISIS or a realignment of Ba'athist.

As for Israel, they dont dislike or support SA any more than Iran. Your antisemitism is false. Make no mistake, US doesn't do a damn thing it doesnt want to do. You and Nuke will have to keep dreaming of another Holocaust that doesn't involve your viking ass getting occupied over a lunch break.