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brewster wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:34 pmSome here criticize it for wanting to be one long movie, but that is explicitly what Benioff and Weiss said they're doing. Movies take different pacing than episodic TV. It's a romance, not a series of one night stands.
Yeah and Benioff and Weiss are idiots for doing so, really long movies usually suck, guess they didn't get the memo. Ain't no one wants to watch a fucking 8 hour movie, hence why you don't see actual movies pulling that bullshit.

Episodes matter, this is a television show, they just think a television series is really an 80-hour movie, not cool, totally lame. When Game of Thrones actually takes advantage of the fact that it's a television show, it's at it's best. It's at it's worst when it's overindulging in the 80-hour movie bullshit.

This doesn't just go for Game of Thrones either, all the best television shows know they are television shows, and aren't just really, really, really, really long movies. Benioff and Weiss just don't fucking get it.
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StCapps wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:47 pm Benioff and Weiss just don't fucking get it.
Yeah you're so right, the show has been a total creative and commercial failure. No one could care less about this ridiculous truncated 8th season. You should be gratified with being proven correct.
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brewster wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 7:09 pm
StCapps wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:47 pm Benioff and Weiss just don't fucking get it.
Yeah you're so right, the show has been a total creative and commercial failure. No one could care less about this ridiculous truncated 8th season. You should be gratified with being proven correct.
Popularity doesn't imply quality. If they aired it as the one really long movie they view it as, no one would watch it. They watch it, because it has episodes that people like, and Benioff and Weiss just dont fucking get that, they insist on the 80-hour movie bullshit to the shows determent.

Episodes matter, television shows that think they aren't television shows, aren't as good as television shows that take advantage of the format instead of thumbing their nose at it. If you don't get that, it's because you don't know what makes for good television, period.
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brewster wrote: Mon Apr 15, 2019 6:34 pm If you're going to wrap it up, you need to tie up the loose ends. Some of these reunions were more important than others. Arya and Jon was important, they hadn't seen each other since like S01E02! And they were the tightest of all the Stark brood. Hound and Arya not so important, but fun. "I robbed you first".

My daughter and I enjoyed the episode, frequently stopping it and discussing various points. The one thing we didn't see coming was the Dany/Sam confrontation, and it's putting Sam as the trusted adviser telling Jon he should be king. But he don't know Jon is banging her. Awkward.

You guys are too impatient. Some here criticize it for wanting to be one long movie, but that is explicitly what Benioff and Weiss said they're doing. Movies take different pacing than episodic TV. It's a romance, not a series of one night stands.
I agree with you to a point. With the exception of Season 1.1, all GoT 1st episodes have been the slower episodes, setting the stage for the season. This one was really slow, though, even though there were numerous loose ends being tied up (along with the needed reunions.)

BTW - I believe Jon & Arya only had one scene together in Episode 1, when he gave her Needle. Episode 2 was the King's Road.

I don't see it as being impatient; I just think in terms of good episodes, this one fell flat. Add that it was only flat in relation to other GoT episodes; not in relation to other shows.

I hope Euron suffers a bloody and painful death by episode 2. What a waste of a character and precious available screen time. The kidnapping of Yara added nothing to the story, really, if Theon was going to rescue her the next time she's on screen. (Outside a very short non-chat with Euron.) Theon is weak. Why are we supposed to believe he's capable of the stealth operation needed to rescue Yara? That operation was deserving of a more time; the whole thing (from rescue to Yara sending Theon to Winterfell,) took far less time than Jon's first dragon ride. It was way too easy and completely unbelievable.

The pacing and time devoted to each scene was poorly planned and not related to the importance of the scene. Let's face it; this was a catch-all/catch-up episode and likely got very little attention compared to other episodes in season 8.

For the record; I don't agree with Cappy on this. I think they've done an outstanding job with the format they chose, and tens of millions of people around the world agree. Capps is just our resident Negative Nancy/self proclaimed expert on every topic known to man. His disagreement with millions around the world doesn't make him an Oracle of good television. Lol....
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The rushed Yara/theon plot is a great example of why you need the slower expository scenes to set up the action, or it seems out of context. But there better have been a real, unstated reason Euron kept her alive or I'll be pissed. Murderous assholes don't keep their enemies alive for chuckles, despite what comics and Bond movies would have us believe.

The craftsman in me was shocked at them melting down and casting the dragon glass. They have no idea what the lethal property of it is, and whether that is destroyed by processing it like that. It could be a crystalline structure unique to the time when it was created! I also wanted to see an army of stone knappers chipping arrowheads out of it.

As far as Cappy, he's got a right to his personal opinion, but claiming universal truth is too far. I hate Time Travel stories as a cheap plot device that never, ever makes sense, but their ubiquity shows plenty of people like them.
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Kath wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 6:03 amHis disagreement with millions around the world doesn't make him an Oracle of good television. Lol....
Me having watched more good television than you ever will makes me the oracle of good television. You wouldn't know good television if it slapped you in the face. If there are any two MHF forum members who are the oracle of good television, it's me or heydaralon, and I disagree with him plenty, including when it comes to overzealously bashing on GoT just a little too much.

Those who want to dismiss my tastes in television simply because I criticized a show they really like and they disagree with my criticism, they do so at their own expense, if there is anyone better at recommending quality television shows on this forum, I haven't seen them. If you don't want take advantage of the fact that I've seen a shit ton of good television, and can tell the difference between bad, good and great, well that's your loss.

Like I said, I can praise GoT better than any fanboy, and I can bash GoT better than any hater, and everything in between. Y'all just jealous I can do both because that's how good I am at evaluating television. The GoT fanboys are just mad that I don't praise the show exclusively and dare to criticize it when it deserves it.
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Isn't the definition of a sociopath someone who cannot conceive of other people thinking differently than them? It's one of those psychotic pathologies. I don't watch sitcoms, but most people do. Doesn't make me insist they're tasteless idiots, they just have different taste. I don't watch sports either.
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brewster wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:35 am Isn't the definition of a sociopath someone who cannot conceive of other people thinking differently than them? It's one of those psychotic pathologies. I don't watch sitcoms, but most people do. Doesn't make me insist they're tasteless idiots, they just have different taste. I don't watch sports either.
I can conceive of others thinking differently than me, and do so all the time. Sometimes they are right and I am wrong, but the fact is, I am right far more often than most when it comes to television, whether you agree with my opinion on GoT or not is besides the point. I am the oracle of good television, or as close anyone on this forum will ever come to it.

I don't claim anyone who disagree with my opinion is a tasteless idiot, but Kath is a tasteless idiot, who stops watching the three greatest tv drama's of all time while rewatching GoT and lashes out at anyone who criticizes her baby. Not that there's anything wrong with rewatching GoT, but to do that instead of watching Breaking Bad, The Wire and/or The Sopranos, that's just bad taste in TV, plain and simple. She also likes Voyager the most of any Star Trek, and it's by far the worst series of the bunch.

Some opinions are more informed than others, not all opinions on a subjective art form are created equal. Everyone has right to their own opinion, but not everyone has a right for their opinion to be respected as just as valid as any other opinion. Hiding behind everything is subjective, everyone's opinion should be respected, is the refuge of people with shitty opinions who can't hold up to scrutiny.
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brewster wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 9:26 am The rushed Yara/theon plot is a great example of why you need the slower expository scenes to set up the action, or it seems out of context. But there better have been a real, unstated reason Euron kept her alive or I'll be pissed. Murderous assholes don't keep their enemies alive for chuckles, despite what comics and Bond movies would have us believe.

The craftsman in me was shocked at them melting down and casting the dragon glass. They have no idea what the lethal property of it is, and whether that is destroyed by processing it like that. It could be a crystalline structure unique to the time when it was created! I also wanted to see an army of stone knappers chipping arrowheads out of it.

As far as Cappy, he's got a right to his personal opinion, but claiming universal truth is too far. I hate Time Travel stories as a cheap plot device that never, ever makes sense, but their ubiquity shows plenty of people like them.
1. Completely agree
2. Sam used a dragon glass blade, which was forged, so he was aware that it could be done.
3. Agreed on both points. It's hard to suspend reality when it comes to time travel; it just rings false. These are nothing more than feel good episodes for the viewers, who get to see their favorite characters interact in a time period they are more familiar with.
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StCapps wrote: Tue Apr 16, 2019 11:37 am
I don't claim anyone who disagree with my opinion is a tasteless idiot, but Kath is a tasteless idiot, who stops watching the three greatest tv drama's of all time while rewatching GoT and lashes out at anyone who criticizes her baby. Not that there's anything wrong with rewatching GoT, but to do that instead of watching Breaking Bad, The Wire and/or The Sopranos, that's just bad taste in TV, plain and simple. She also likes Voyager the most of any Star Trek, and it's by far the worst series of the bunch.
Stop. Just stop. Not appreciating the same genres that you do does not make me a tasteless idiot.

(In the television thread, after I watched DS9, I declared it my new favorite. Any show that has 7 of 9 cannot, by definition, be the worst of the bunch. Definitely had the worst holodeck episodes, though.
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