Game of Thrones - mostly

[Kath]

Those Lord of the Rings movies were gay as fuck too. You have bad tastes if you spent 9 hours watching a bunch of orcs buttfucking eachother in a mud pit, with the pedophile tree carrying the hobbits through the woods. You should watch the Wire.

Never quite sure when you are serious or in troll joker mode. Either way,

One of the best trilogies ever.

[Smitty-48]

LOTR movies are the same as the books, the first book is great, the second is good, the third is meh.

All Sword & Sorcery shit ever since is just a rip off of Tolkien, once you've read LOTR, you've read them all.

[heydaralon]

Those Lord of the Rings movies were gay as fuck too. You have bad tastes if you spent 9 hours watching a bunch of orcs buttfucking eachother in a mud pit, with the pedophile tree carrying the hobbits through the woods. You should watch the Wire.

Never quite sure when you are serious or in troll joker mode. Either way,

One of the best trilogies ever.

I liked the first and second movies, but hated the third one. I never read the books, only the hobbit.

Two big gripes with Tolkien.

1) No religion in Middle Earth. Wtf. Yeah you have sorcery, but that seemed absurd to me. In many ways, Middle Earth is a lot like Medieval Europe, similar tech way of life etc, but no churches, monasteries or temples? That always stood out to me.

2) The manichean way it was presented. All the good guys are attractive, wear white and all the bad guys are hideously ugly and wear menacing black rags. No middle ground. Game of Thrones is far better in the nuance department.

[brewster]

All the good guys are attractive, wear white and all the bad guys are hideously ugly and wear menacing black rags.

Methinks he's in trolling mode. Either that or he saw a different movie.

[heydaralon]

All the good guys are attractive, wear white and all the bad guys are hideously ugly and wear menacing black rags.

Methinks he's in trolling mode. Either that or he saw a different movie.

Lol. The orcs, Uruks, ghost king guys with the black cloaks. All the bad guys in those movies were hideously deformed. Contrast that to Legolas or those elves. No subtlety.

[Kath]

I liked the first and second movies, but hated the third one. I never read the books, only the hobbit.

Two big gripes with Tolkien.

1) No religion in Middle Earth. Wtf. Yeah you have sorcery, but that seemed absurd to me. In many ways, Middle Earth is a lot like Medieval Europe, similar tech way of life etc, but no churches, monasteries or temples? That always stood out to me.

2) The manichean way it was presented. All the good guys are attractive, wear white and all the bad guys are hideously ugly and wear menacing black rags. No middle ground. Game of Thrones is far better in the nuance department.

Agree on the religion. There should have been some sort of reference to the religion, at least.

Not all the good guys wore white - pretty much only Gandalf & Saruman, so good & bad.

I wouldn't call Gandalf, Merry nor Gimly good looking, no matter how far I stretch my imagination. The orcs were designed and created and were intentionally made to look scary. A bunch of Legolas looking orcs wouldn't have been very intimidating.

[GloryofGreece]

Gandulf was an Angel according to othe Tolkien books. I think the reason he didn't explicity have religion is that he didn't want it to contradict Catholicism in that way .

G R Martin tried to have a pessimist cyncial epic poem to subvert the Fantasy genre Tolkien largely created , the problem is that doesn't work as an epic or huge trilogy etc it could work as short stories maybe but not as a heroes journey narrative . NO.

[Kath]

Gandulf was an Angel according to othe Tolkien books. I think the reason he didn't explicity have religion is that he didn't want it to contradict Catholicism in that way .

G R Martin tried to have a pessimist cyncial epic poem to subvert the Fantasy genre Tolkien largely created , the problem is that doesn't work as an epic or huge trilogy etc it could work as short stories maybe but not as a heroes journey narrative . NO.

Was Tolkien a practicing Catholic? If so, that makes a little bit of sense, but I think it's a stretch of the imagination to conclude that creating fantasy gods for a story is worshiping another god.

[GloryofGreece]

Gandulf was an Angel according to othe Tolkien books. I think the reason he didn't explicity have religion is that he didn't want it to contradict Catholicism in that way .

G R Martin tried to have a pessimist cyncial epic poem to subvert the Fantasy genre Tolkien largely created , the problem is that doesn't work as an epic or huge trilogy etc it could work as short stories maybe but not as a heroes journey narrative . NO.

Was Tolkien a practicing Catholic? If so, that makes a little bit of sense, but I think it's a stretch of the imagination to conclude that creating fantasy gods for a story is worshiping another god.

It's not a stretch to him. He was a devout true believer and mostly responsible for CS Lewis renewed faith.

[heydaralon]

Tolkien explicitly stated his book were not allegorical for Christianity the way Narnia was. Its not a stretch to believe he put Christian themes in them though.