Best American General of All Time?

[Smitty-48]

Wasn't KGB

They didn't want Kennedy gone, at this point they actually had a rapprochement with the White House.

This is after the Cuban Missile Crisis.

This is long after Tsar Bomba.

The Soviets have just signed the Test Ban Treaty and things are going very well with Kennedy by then.

The KGB wasn't going to take Kennedy out when the Soviets were getting what they wanted.

[Smitty-48]

The Soviets wouldn't have killed an American President.

Not just because it could very well be a nuclear casus belli.

Not just because they had more respect for their adversary than that.

But mostly because they just didn't think the President was that important.

The Soviets knew that it would just mean Lyndon Johnson.

What difference would that make to the Soviets?

None. All Americans are the same, the Presidents are interchangeable, from the Soviet point of view.

It would be like America killing Brezhnev, just to end up with Andropov, which, what's the difference?

[Smitty-48]

But again, Oswald knew all this too.

Oswald would have known that killing Kennedy simply results in President Johnson.

Why on earth would a guy like Oswald care?

What is the difference?

It makes no sense, from an Oswald, by this point cynical, point of view.

[Smitty-48]

Like, Hinckley shooting Reagan?

That makes total sense.

Why?

Because shooting the President is totally pointless, only a crazy person would bother.

Except, Oswald was not crazy, not at all.

He shoots Kennedy, he gets Johnson; why would he fucking care?

He wouldn't.

He was smart, he was cynical, and he wasn't crazy.

[Smitty-48]

There is only one logical reason to kill John F. Kennedy.

Personal grudge.

There is no political nor military reason to do it, that's what the Veep is for.

[Smitty-48]

Oswald did it for infamy?

Ah, but he said "patsy".

Nobody looking for infamy, would ever assert that he was a hapless patsy.

Not crazy.

Not infamy.

Not political.

Not the KGB.

Not Oswald.

[Smitty-48]

Personal grudge.

It's the only logical reason to kill Kennedy when he's just going to be replaced by Johnson.

Has to be personal.

He fucked the wrong broad. He fucked somebody over.

Somebody very powerful, who could get away with it, using a patsy as the fall guy.

[heydaralon]

Personal grudge.

It's the only logical reason to kill Kennedy when he's just going to be replaced by Johnson.

Has to be personal.

He fucked the wrong broad. He fucked somebody over.

Somebody very powerful, who could get away with it, using a patsy as the fall guy.

Do you think Marilyn Monroe fucked some mafia dudes? Your Oswald breakdown is pretty convincing. I never looked at it that way. I also do not think the KGB would pull some shit like that.

[Smitty-48]

Personal grudge.

It's the only logical reason to kill Kennedy when he's just going to be replaced by Johnson.

Has to be personal.

He fucked the wrong broad. He fucked somebody over.

Somebody very powerful, who could get away with it, using a patsy as the fall guy.

Do you think Marilyn Monroe fucked some mafia dudes? Your Oswald breakdown is pretty convincing. I never looked at it that way. I also do not think the KGB would pull some shit like that.

I don't think it was Monroe, she had other issues, that was a whole nother problem.

But Kennedy was fucking broads all over the place, he was fucking everything that moved.

The Rat Pack used to play cards while chicks were under the table blowing them, Kennedy was having orgies.

Kennedy was fucking Mary Pinchot Meyer, who could have been KGB herself.

She turned up dead too. Double tap, point blank

Kennedy was leading a secret double life, of which we can only see the tip of the iceberg.

[heydaralon]

Probably was a fun dude to party with. Doing speed, booze probably some barbituates. I'll be he was shooting up China white in the Lincoln Bedroom too.