Best American General of All Time?

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Smitty-48 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:11 pm It was all the French.

Not only did the French rope America into it, they stabbed America in the back after.

John McCain is a great American tho.

I am aware of his foibles, but history will remember him fondly.

When Vietnam is finally free of the Communists, they should build a monument to John McCain.
Man, the French must have been pretty shitty Colonial administrators, even by the standards of colonialism. Before San Remo and all that shit, the Syrians were "like if we can't be free once the Ottomans collapse, we would prefer that the Americans have our mandate. If we can't get the Americans ruling over us, we'll take the British. But don't give us the fucking French."

Of course, they got the fucking French, so Faisal and all them were willing to fight the French army on horseback. The Vietnamese hated the French too, as did the Algerians. The British dealt with some heavy shit, but imo the Mau Maus treated the British in Kenya with kid gloves compared to how the French got treated in Indo China.
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It seems like whenever you read about Colonialism, especially in the Middle East, there is always a special hatred for France, before America absorbed most of that.
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Like Charles Beckwith.

Charles Beckwith was a military genius.

Not because of Delta Force.

Long before Delta Force, Charles Beckwith had figured it out.

If Charles Beckwith had been in charge, America would have won the Vietnam War.
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Smitty-48 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:27 pm Like Charles Beckwith.

Charles Beckwith was a military genius.

Not because of Delta Force.

Long before Delta Force, Charles Beckwith had figured it out.

If Charles Beckwith had been in charge, America would have won the Vietnam War.
I would have picked Lee Marvin personally. Peak Delta Force. Different battlefield, same objective. Putting non-American subhumans to the back of the global line where they belong.
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That's not a shot at Westy nor Abrams neither.

Westy and Abrams were just not expert at what Beckwith was inventing in real time.

Good generals, just not the subject matter experts.

If you wanted to fight on the Fulda Gap, Westy and Abrams were your guys.
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Like that fat fuck Schwarzkopf.

For him to be the big hero, and Westy to be the big scapegoat?

That's a crime.

Westmoreland's record in World War Two and Korea is impeccable.

And he didn't even do that bad in Vietnam, he just didn't have enough Beckwith's.
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Smitty-48 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:34 pm Like that fat fuck Schwarzkopf.

For him to be the big hero, and Westy to be the big scapegoat?

That's a crime.

Westmoreland's record in World War Two and Korea is impeccable.

And he didn't even do that bad in Vietnam, he just didn't have enough Beckwith's.
Are you impressed with Mattis?
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heydaralon wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:40 pm
Smitty-48 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:34 pm Like that fat fuck Schwarzkopf.

For him to be the big hero, and Westy to be the big scapegoat?

That's a crime.

Westmoreland's record in World War Two and Korea is impeccable.

And he didn't even do that bad in Vietnam, he just didn't have enough Beckwith's.
Are you impressed with Mattis?
He's no Charles Beckwith.

Mattis is an ultra professional, but he thinks like a Marine, tactical infantry soldier.
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Smitty-48 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:42 pm
heydaralon wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:40 pm
Smitty-48 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:34 pm Like that fat fuck Schwarzkopf.

For him to be the big hero, and Westy to be the big scapegoat?

That's a crime.

Westmoreland's record in World War Two and Korea is impeccable.

And he didn't even do that bad in Vietnam, he just didn't have enough Beckwith's.
Are you impressed with Mattis?
He's no Charles Beckwith.

Mattis is an ultra professional, but he thinks like a Marine, tactical infantry soldier.
What do you mean by thinking like a marine?
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heydaralon wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:53 pm
Smitty-48 wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:42 pm
heydaralon wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:40 pm

Are you impressed with Mattis?
He's no Charles Beckwith.

Mattis is an ultra professional, but he thinks like a Marine, tactical infantry soldier.
What do you mean by thinking like a marine?
All Marines are infantry. The Marine Corps is an infantry corps.

Infantry are only good for one thing. Seize and hold ground.

That is not actually relevant to 21st century information warfare, in fact it is counterproductive.
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