THE ERA OF TRUMP

[TheReal_ND]

Oh wow just wow. You racist Trump supporters can't actually build a wall I thought you were joking like oh my god.... I thought Trump was joking this whole time and you guys just didn't like Hilary. This. Isn't. Happening.

[Okeefenokee]

I like how you pretend that a wall will fix security

I like how you pretend that physical barriers don't do anything. You're not sitting out in the middle of a field right now. You're surrounded by walls, and doors with locks. Why'd you waste your money? Don't you know they don't do anything?

That's facile.

Most homes, and cars, are robbed because they are unlocked, but one just has to be more difficult to rob than the other guy. For a thief, there are always another car, or house, to rob.

Many of the illegal immigrants, especially from Central America, come because they really don't have a choice. Mexico would be an improvement, but Central America, and Mexico, have a hate/hate relationship.Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, have the some of the highest crime rates (murder, rape, robberies, violence) on the planet. Unemployment is beyond high, the corruption is worse, and there a swaths of the countries where the government can't go.

Thousands of men, women. and too many children, from Central America, every year are picked off as they ride on top of freight trains, then, if they are lucky, ride rickety buses upto the American Border, where the coyotes, or monsters masquerading as humans, "guide" them in small groups across the border. They often travel through the desert, often with little, or no water, or food, or adequate clothing. Often for a walk that may take several days. Where at the end, if they are lucky, they will be packed into van, or a truck, or a large container, and driven to whatever location job/family/friends/random spot in the States.

So hundreds, maybe now thousands die, or or injured, due to civil unrest/war going in Mexico, falling off trains, random rape, and robbery, because almost everyone will be robbed and/raped, or lost in the desert enslavement for farms/factories/brothels by whatever person with a gun stops them which includes, but is not limited to the random criminal gangs,narco-terrorists, the army, and the police.

So yes, unless we are talking like the East/West German borders of the Cold War complete with multiple lines each of barbed wire, walls, minefields, watchtowers, and guys with machine guns with orders to kill on sight, our new wall will fail.

Sell your house and go live in a vacant lot, or STFU.

[Okeefenokee]

I like how you pretend that physical barriers don't do anything. You're not sitting out in the middle of a field right now. You're surrounded by walls, and doors with locks. Why'd you waste your money? Don't you know they don't do anything?

That's facile.

Most homes, and cars, are robbed because they are unlocked, but one just has to be more difficult to rob than the other guy. For a thief, there are always another car, or house, to rob.

Many of the illegal immigrants, especially from Central America, come because they really don't have a choice. Mexico would be an improvement, but Central America, and Mexico, have a hate/hate relationship.Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, have the some of the highest crime rates (murder, rape, robberies, violence) on the planet. Unemployment is beyond high, the corruption is worse, and there a swaths of the countries where the government can't go.

Thousands of men, women. and too many children, from Central America, every year are picked off as they ride on top of freight trains, then, if they are lucky, ride rickety buses upto the American Border, where the coyotes, or monsters masquerading as humans, "guide" them in small groups across the border. They often travel through the desert, often with little, or no water, or food, or adequate clothing. Often for a walk that may take several days. Where at the end, if they are lucky, they will be packed into van, or a truck, or a large container, and driven to whatever location job/family/friends/random spot in the States.

So hundreds, maybe now thousands die, or or injured, due to civil unrest/war going in Mexico, falling off trains, random rape, and robbery, because almost everyone will be robbed and/raped, or lost in the desert enslavement for farms/factories/brothels by whatever person with a gun stops them which includes, but is not limited to the random criminal gangs,narco-terrorists, the army, and the police.

So yes, unless we are talking like the East/West German borders of the Cold War complete with multiple lines each of barbed wire, walls, minefields, watchtowers, and guys with machine guns with orders to kill on sight, our new wall will fail.

The Berlin Wall was, IMO, also a failure because even then people found ways to get to the other side.

Your criteria for success are bullshit, then. Under your criteria, every human endeavor ever undertaken has been a failure, because nothing has ever been 100% successful. The rest of us don't operate on such a garbage platform.

[K@th]

I understand now. My plan is TOO effective while not being expensive enough. Republicans pretend to want to spend less money, but they are just mouth breathers who can't wait to get into office and spend bigly on shit that won't work. Why don't we go for the more efficient and less expensive thing? Not sexy enough.

Seriously, seems Smitty & I are the true fiscal conservatives. The rest of you are quite happy spending like a drunken sailor, as long as the people spending the money wear red clothing.

Sad. Very very sad.

We need a D in the big chair and the Rs in the house. When a D sits in WH, the R team doesn't want to spend money on nonsense, for some reason.

[Speaker to Animals]

If Trump decided to combat the waves of illegal immigrants through law enforcement means within CONUS, Kath would be like, "OMFG! Just build a wall. How retarded can you get??"

[TheReal_ND]

Sad!

[Speaker to Animals]

That's facile.

Most homes, and cars, are robbed because they are unlocked, but one just has to be more difficult to rob than the other guy. For a thief, there are always another car, or house, to rob.

Many of the illegal immigrants, especially from Central America, come because they really don't have a choice. Mexico would be an improvement, but Central America, and Mexico, have a hate/hate relationship.Honduras, Nicaragua, El Salvador, have the some of the highest crime rates (murder, rape, robberies, violence) on the planet. Unemployment is beyond high, the corruption is worse, and there a swaths of the countries where the government can't go.

Thousands of men, women. and too many children, from Central America, every year are picked off as they ride on top of freight trains, then, if they are lucky, ride rickety buses upto the American Border, where the coyotes, or monsters masquerading as humans, "guide" them in small groups across the border. They often travel through the desert, often with little, or no water, or food, or adequate clothing. Often for a walk that may take several days. Where at the end, if they are lucky, they will be packed into van, or a truck, or a large container, and driven to whatever location job/family/friends/random spot in the States.

So hundreds, maybe now thousands die, or or injured, due to civil unrest/war going in Mexico, falling off trains, random rape, and robbery, because almost everyone will be robbed and/raped, or lost in the desert enslavement for farms/factories/brothels by whatever person with a gun stops them which includes, but is not limited to the random criminal gangs,narco-terrorists, the army, and the police.

So yes, unless we are talking like the East/West German borders of the Cold War complete with multiple lines each of barbed wire, walls, minefields, watchtowers, and guys with machine guns with orders to kill on sight, our new wall will fail.

The Berlin Wall was, IMO, also a failure because even then people found ways to get to the other side.

Your criteria for success are bullshit, then. Under your criteria, every human endeavor ever undertaken has been a failure, because nothing has ever been 100% successful. The rest of us don't operate on such a garbage platform.

The Trump campaign was 100% successful, though.

[Okeefenokee]

You guys baffle me, sometimes. There are better ways to nearly eliminate illegal immigration. Make it illegal for employers to hire illegal aliens. Period.

Cost? A few thousand dollars to create a searchable database view of SSNs to validate citizenship (or work visas) and throw it up at whatever.gov.

Done. Illegals start drying up while businesses add to the revenue stream by paying large fines for breaking the law.

A 20 billion dollar boondoggle merely helps a part of the problem, and not completely. The cost per person kept out is going to be ridiculous.

Why do you guys hate saving money?

It already is illegal, you loon. Just like it's already illegal to come into your house and steal your shit, you loon. Why do you have doors and locks? Didn't you hear? We passed a law saying people can't enter your house in the middle of the night without your permission. You don't need doors anymore.

[jbird4049]

For the record, the wall's attraction is that it might actually happen. I'm still in favor of the check SS numbers, because, fuck it, I'm tired of we can't do it because something, something.

With that me and cat are going to bed. Goodnight.

Night catters. We want the same thing but focused on our identity tbh.

Poor cat!

[StCapps]

I understand now. My plan is TOO effective while not being expensive enough. Republicans pretend to want to spend less money, but they are just mouth breathers who can't wait to get into office and spend bigly on shit that won't work. Why don't we go for the more efficient and less expensive thing? Not sexy enough.

Seriously, seems Smitty & I are the true fiscal conservatives. The rest of you are quite happy spending like a drunken sailor, as long as the people spending the money wear red clothing.

Sad. Very very sad.

We need a D in the big chair and the Rs in the house. When a D sits in WH, the R team doesn't want to spend money on nonsense, for some reason.

If you can't sell your plan to the congress, that isn't my fault. Sex it up, that shit is on you. Trump put effort into selling his pitch, it's time you worked on yours. Cheap and effective doesn't sell as well as you think it does, you gotta spice that shit up.