THE ERA OF TRUMP

[StCapps]

Alls I was saying from the beginning; waste of money, not effective at all, could be spent in other ways, which would be far more effective, and, if they went high-tech instead of concrete and rebar, much more value added in terms of spin offs. Border security is big business, I'm scratching my head as to why they would blow seed money down the drain on 1600km of concrete and rebar to nowhere; that's not a border security, that's a sculpture.

I'm with you on that tip. It's just the reflexive, anti-border wall of any kind folks that I take issue with. Clearly a wall over some portions of the border would help border security, in other parts of the border though it's better spend money on other things quite obviously and save money by not putting up a wall in these sections where they are of minimal value. I never argued a wall is a super wise way to spend money border security money, but it's not like there are no spots on the border where having a wall could come in handy, acting like that is so would just be silly.

[TheReal_ND]

I'm scratching my head why you are convinced it needs to be concrete.

I'm sure us southerners would be happy with a single patch of barb wire and a fuck you attitute but you're the fucking wall master apparently.

Enlighten us rubes you fucking Canadian.

[Smitty-48]

I'm scratching my head why you are convinced it needs to be concrete.

I'm sure us southerners would be happy with a single patch of barb wire and a fuck you attitute but you're the fucking wall master apparently.

Enlighten us rubes you fucking Canadian.

I'm just going on what Donald Trump said; "precast concrete wall, 35 to 50 feet high."

[TheReal_ND]

Wow

[TheReal_ND]

WAIT WAIT WAIT

so these are the billions you take issue with?

Lol fucking cucknadians. Piss off.

[ssu]

I'm scratching my head as to why they would blow seed money down the drain on 1600km of concrete and rebar to nowhere; that's not border security, that's a sculpture.

Because you can take pictures of it. Americans can see it.

It's something concrete!

Who cares a shit if that money spent on new border guards & technology would make the border quite difficult obstacle, those barbed wires and cameras wouldn't look so protective. And furthemore, the border would look uh, what it looks now. Even the Iron Curtain looked boring, but in Berlin with the Wall, the "anti-fascist protection wall", was dramatic.

This doesn't look so awesome as a big beautiful wall:

[Smitty-48]

Another thing I don't like about a wall, is that it actually acts as cover for those who are going to be digging through and/or under it, the wall works in both directions, it blocks US border security from seeing what is going on and then quicly acting against that, I would actually submit, putting a wall up is going to enable the smugglers rather then deter them, they will use the wall as a screen, hug the belt, right up against the wall, making them much harder to detect, and at the same time, much harder to interdict, they are going to be on the Mexican side, with free reign to do as they please, they can move up and down, they can dig, they can hide up against it, it will act as a barrier to protect them rather than stop them.

There's no defense in depth, and the wall restricts American freedom of action to manuever against the threat.

[Smitty-48]

Even the Iron Curtain looked boring, but in Berlin with the Wall, the "anti-fascist protection wall", was dramatic.

But the only reason the Berlin Wall worked, is that the Grenztruppen der DDR were covering the whole thing 24-7-365 with interlocking machine gun fields of fire, the only way they stopped people from getting over that wall, was shooting them with a PKM, without that, people would have flooded over that wall with abandon.

[StCapps]

Another thing I don't like about a wall, is that it actually acts as cover for those who are going to be digging through and/or under it, the wall works in both directions, it blocks US border security from seeing what is going on and then quicly acting against that, I would actually submit, putting a wall up is going to enable the smugglers rather then deter them, they will use the wall as a screen, hug the belt, right up against the wall, making them much harder to detect, and at the same time, much harder to interdict, they are going to be on the Mexican side, with free reign to do as they please, they can move up and down, they can dig, they can hide up against it, it will act as a barrier to protect them rather than stop them.

There's no defense in depth, and the wall restricts American freedom of action to manuever against the threat.

Yeah but if they concentrating all their tunneling in areas around the wall the Americans will know that and can plan accordingly. Bait them into tunneling in areas where they are easier to catch by placing the wall there. If you know where they are going tunnel is it really that much harder to find them? If you have problems seeing under the wall put security measures in place to help to cover that blind spot. If that makes the price tag too high in some portions, then don't build the wall there. Should still reduce tunneling, not increase it, unless I'm missing something.

[ssu]

Another thing I don't like about a wall, is that it actually acts as cover for those who are going to be digging through and/or under it, the wall works in both directions, it blocks US border security from seeing what is going on and then quicly acting against that, I would actually submit, putting a wall up is going to enable the smugglers rather then deter them, they will use the wall as a screen, hug the belt, right up against the wall, making them much harder to detect, and at the same time, much harder to interdict, they are going to be on the Mexican side, with free reign to do as they please, they can move up and down, they can dig, they can hide up against it, it will act as a barrier to protect them rather than stop them.

There's no defense in depth, and the wall restricts American freedom of action to manuever against the threat.

But now Smitty you are thinking about it rationally. As how to make the border tight... which then simply makes anyone wanting to get inside the US take on the even more dangerous trip by sea btw. (and then the US Coastguard can have it's hand full with rescuing people from sinking barges in the Gulf of Mexico). Yet this really in the end isn't about making the border control tighter now.

No, this is first and foremost a campaign promise of Trump. Trump talked about a big beautiful wall and Trump will want to do it. Trump will not want to be the "No-wall-Trump".