Historical Arguments and Debates

[Speaker to Animals]

That's the leftist narrative in a nutshell. Nonsense, but okay.

Humanity are just worthless insects, and any advanced aliens will be galactic liberals.

[Hastur]

That's the leftist narrative in a nutshell. Nonsense, but okay.

Humanity are just worthless insects, and any advanced aliens will be galactic liberals.

I know, right. Because there is absolutely no interest whatsoever in previous, more primitive or foreign cultures. I mean, why would modern people be interested in Samurais, Vikings, Romans, or really old stuff like dinosaurs or Neanderthals. Nothing for us to learn from there. pfffft.

[Ph64]

As far as boredom..

I think a lot of people get this wrong. I think the way of life in this fallen universe is one of war. When there is no longer any point to wage war over territory or resources, intelligent creatures will wage war over philosophy and religion.

This idea that creatures transcend their nature is, in my opinion, the height if liberal atheist dumbassery. In fact, these are the enemies I suspect everybody goes to war with when transhumanism becomes a thing. Our greatest war will be waged over the destiny, and continued existence as a species, with transhumanism.

As I commented elsewhere, whenever I see people thinking that humanity is going to "evolve" past our baser instincts I think of Forbidden Planet and the Krell...

"Monsters, John, monsters from the Id."

Commander Adams: What is the Id?

Dr. Morbius: [frustrated] Id, id, id, id, id!

[calming down]

Dr. Morbius: It's a... It's an obsolete term. I'm afraid once used to describe the elementary basis of the subconscious mind.

Commander Adams: [to himself] Monsters from the id...

Dr. Morbius: Huh?

Commander Adams: Monsters from the subconscious. Of course. That's what Doc meant. Morbius. The big machine, 8,000 miles of klystron relays, enough power for a whole population of creative geniuses, operated by remote control. Morbius, operated by the electromagnetic impulses of individual Krell brains.

Dr. Morbius: To what purpose?

Commander Adams: In return, that ultimate machine would instantaneously project solid matter to any point on the planet, In any shape or color they might imagine. For *any* purpose, Morbius! Creation by mere thought.

Dr. Morbius: Why haven't I seen this all along?

Commander Adams: But like you, the Krell forgot one deadly danger - their own subconscious hate and lust for destruction.

Dr. Morbius: The beast. The mindless primitive! Even the Krell must have evolved from that beginning.

Commander Adams: And so those mindless beasts of the subconscious had access to a machine that could never be shut down. The secret devil of every soul on the planet all set free at once to loot and maim. And take revenge, Morbius, and kill!

Dr. Morbius: My poor Krell. After a million years of shining sanity, they could hardly have understood what power was destroying them.

[pause]

Dr. Morbius: Yes, young man, all very convincing, but for one obvious fallacy. The last Krell died 2,000 centuries ago. But today, as we all know, there is still at large on this planet a living monster.

Commander Adams: Your mind refuses to face the conclusion.

Dr. Morbius: What do you mean?

...unable to understand, aware of history... but blind to his own faults until the very end.

[Speaker to Animals]

That's the leftist narrative in a nutshell. Nonsense, but okay.

Humanity are just worthless insects, and any advanced aliens will be galactic liberals.

I know, right. Because there is absolutely no interest whatsoever in previous, more primitive or foreign cultures. I mean, why would modern people be interested in Samurais, Vikings, Romans, or really old stuff like dinosaurs or Neanderthals. Nothing for us to learn from there. pfffft.

The leftist narrative is usually based on politics and ideology rather than science and historical/anthropological evidence. You can always spot it with the "humanity is of no account" sentiment and the "advanced aliens will be so far beyond our primitive minds to not care about our stupid shit" idea. It derives from their future historicism in which they see history as an arc with some progressive utopia at the end, only to be thwarted by us Neanderthals who cling to human nature.

They say technological advances obviate war, but I am here to say that it will be they who initiate the greatest war in human existence over the continued life of our very species when they are actually able to implement technological solutions to make their narrative come true (transhumanism).

War is life; life is war. Beware of the people who say they want to transcend war itself, because they are the ones that will bring about the most horrific wars possible to achieve their peace.

[Hastur]

Totally uninteresting stuff that no one would watch:

[SuburbanFarmer]

Three rebuttals based on assigning “human nature” to aliens.

And I’m accused of a lack of imagination.

[Speaker to Animals]

Three rebuttals based on assigning “human nature” to aliens.

And I’m accused of a lack of imagination.

Straw man. Get fucked.

[SuburbanFarmer]

”I mean, god is just like us man. He thinks the same way and gets annoyed at stuff, he’s really just a big human with superpowers. “

[Speaker to Animals]

”I mean, god is just like us man. He thinks the same way and gets annoyed at stuff, he’s really just a big human with superpowers. “

So your defense is another strawman?

You are getting your ass handed to you here.

[Ph64]

Three rebuttals based on assigning “human nature” to aliens.

And I’m accused of a lack of imagination.

Wrong. Assigning LIFE nature to aliens.

My cats hunt mice, chipmunk, etc. Do they do this for lack of food? One of them is 15+lbs, trust me he's not starving. It's in their nature, it's instinct. Even plants have developed mechanisms to hopefully out-compete other plant species. Humans are just a more intelligent version of species on the planet, but we still have our instincts - they are what let us survive.

Any alien species likely had to compete for resources on their own home planet, to evolve an intelligent species pretty much requires a long history of preceding species/life to get there, and the associated competition/skills to survive. Even colonizing new planets would require competition (even if against "nature", as we would be on say Mars, fighting sandstorms, finding water, possible soil issues, different/no atmosphere, etc).

Life, on earth or anywhere else, is a fight, a competition for survival. To imagine this isn't/wasn't true for some alien species elsewhere is ludicrous.