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Speaker to Animals wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:11 am I think, psychologically, black is the color of death. Traditionally, if you wore black, then you were in mourning (serious) and nothing else in life really mattered to you. To externalize that politically is to say you want the death of the status quo. Society as you know it is dead to you. People wear black for lots of different reasons, but those reasons often come down to this sense of detachment from and disillusionment with society as it existed for them in the present.

On an intellectual level, black is non-distracting. Wearing black signals that it is your ideas and actions that matter, that you are not playing the social game at all (even though you really are, but in a different way).

In a fashion sense, it is like what hoisting a pirate flag meant. It means you have checked out of the official social order and you are letting everybody know your intention to transgress. I am unaware of any official colors that were black. The only black flags I can think of were mercenaries and pirates. I am sure some rebellious noble somewhere adopted a black field for the reasons stated above, but it wasn't that common. On the battlefield, black used to symbolize that you were outside the chivalrous order. Black and white flags had specific meanings.
What about the Crusading Teutonic Order? Black/White (?) ...
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GloryofGreece wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:37 am
Speaker to Animals wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:11 am I think, psychologically, black is the color of death. Traditionally, if you wore black, then you were in mourning (serious) and nothing else in life really mattered to you. To externalize that politically is to say you want the death of the status quo. Society as you know it is dead to you. People wear black for lots of different reasons, but those reasons often come down to this sense of detachment from and disillusionment with society as it existed for them in the present.

On an intellectual level, black is non-distracting. Wearing black signals that it is your ideas and actions that matter, that you are not playing the social game at all (even though you really are, but in a different way).

In a fashion sense, it is like what hoisting a pirate flag meant. It means you have checked out of the official social order and you are letting everybody know your intention to transgress. I am unaware of any official colors that were black. The only black flags I can think of were mercenaries and pirates. I am sure some rebellious noble somewhere adopted a black field for the reasons stated above, but it wasn't that common. On the battlefield, black used to symbolize that you were outside the chivalrous order. Black and white flags had specific meanings.
What about the Crusading Teutonic Order? Black/White (?) ...

Is that not a black cross on a white field?
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GloryofGreece wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:37 am
Speaker to Animals wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:11 am I think, psychologically, black is the color of death. Traditionally, if you wore black, then you were in mourning (serious) and nothing else in life really mattered to you. To externalize that politically is to say you want the death of the status quo. Society as you know it is dead to you. People wear black for lots of different reasons, but those reasons often come down to this sense of detachment from and disillusionment with society as it existed for them in the present.

On an intellectual level, black is non-distracting. Wearing black signals that it is your ideas and actions that matter, that you are not playing the social game at all (even though you really are, but in a different way).

In a fashion sense, it is like what hoisting a pirate flag meant. It means you have checked out of the official social order and you are letting everybody know your intention to transgress. I am unaware of any official colors that were black. The only black flags I can think of were mercenaries and pirates. I am sure some rebellious noble somewhere adopted a black field for the reasons stated above, but it wasn't that common. On the battlefield, black used to symbolize that you were outside the chivalrous order. Black and white flags had specific meanings.
What about the Crusading Teutonic Order? Black/White (?) ...
Or even more fitting, the hospitallers with their white cross on black? (prior to the switch to white on red in war at least)
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Speaker to Animals wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 7:02 am
GloryofGreece wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:37 am
Speaker to Animals wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 6:11 am I think, psychologically, black is the color of death. Traditionally, if you wore black, then you were in mourning (serious) and nothing else in life really mattered to you. To externalize that politically is to say you want the death of the status quo. Society as you know it is dead to you. People wear black for lots of different reasons, but those reasons often come down to this sense of detachment from and disillusionment with society as it existed for them in the present.

On an intellectual level, black is non-distracting. Wearing black signals that it is your ideas and actions that matter, that you are not playing the social game at all (even though you really are, but in a different way).

In a fashion sense, it is like what hoisting a pirate flag meant. It means you have checked out of the official social order and you are letting everybody know your intention to transgress. I am unaware of any official colors that were black. The only black flags I can think of were mercenaries and pirates. I am sure some rebellious noble somewhere adopted a black field for the reasons stated above, but it wasn't that common. On the battlefield, black used to symbolize that you were outside the chivalrous order. Black and white flags had specific meanings.
What about the Crusading Teutonic Order? Black/White (?) ...

Is that not a black cross on a white field?
Teutonic Knights were in the Baltic and wore black cross on white. Hospitallers in the Levant wore a white cross on black for a good while until 1259 when the full knights (and 1270 something for everyone else) switched to a white cross on red.
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Well, like I said, it is not universal, but pretty well-established that a solid black field with minimal heraldry is usually adopted by those rebelling against the social order.
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TheReal_ND wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 4:40 am This was created on a argentina forum.

No one here read mein kampf or listened to Mosley or Mussolini talk about the fascist colors?
No, I hadn't read that. I've never read Mein Kampf. The graphic I posted is the same from a ton of sources on colors of those movements. The Anarcho-Commies(Antifa) has been using Red and Black since at least the Bolshevik era.
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Early in the American Revolution there were a wide variety of banners
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Hastur wrote: Thu Oct 04, 2018 2:35 am British racing green is the ugliest race car color ever. Use that. It is better suited for a van.
What? I love British racing green.
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