Sparta or Rome/ Which Had The Better Constitution?

[BjornP]

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https://info.publicintelligence.net/HTT ... uality.pdf

[Fife]

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https://info.publicintelligence.net/HTT ... uality.pdf

[BjornP]

Yes Fife, the wording of my post was clumsy, if that's what you meant.

You can read what I'm talking about in that link. Essentially: Men will start to fuck other men or boys if fraternization with women is forbidden.

Or in language you can appreciate:

The State is Rape!

[Fife]

The State is Rape!

You are coming along nicely, grasshopper.

:goteam: :drunk:

[Speaker to Animals]

LOL

Bjorn, the problem is deeper than you seem to grasp. It's not about fraternization at all. Civilization, and even merely complex society, is made possible by a truce among males to limit their mates. When a society breaks that truce, and leaves a significant percentage of men without wives, then it starts to break apart. That's where you start to see the sodomy and the rape of boys as we have seen in Islam, where men can have four wives, depending upon their means. In Islam, you could potentially have 3/4 of males without wives.

Men in these contexts don't become feral rapists because they weren't allowed to work out with chicks in the gym, but because society deprived them the opportunity of reproduction.

Indeed, your examples are asinine, since some of them include men who have very easy access to women. A Catholic parish priest is trapped around women nonstop. If that's not enough, they have access to call girls just like any other dude. It's clearly not for lack of contact with women that some of them raped teen boys. A better argument can be made that the fact all of them were homosexuals was the primary factor.

[GloryofGreece]

Good stuff on the Spartan Constitution
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... pGCbh8ggUs