Madrid’s crackdown on Catalonia is already having one major consequence, presumably unintended: many Catalans who were until recently staunchly opposed to the idea of national independence are now reconsidering their options.
The middle ground they and hundreds of thousands of others once occupied was obliterated yesterday when a judge in Barcelona ordered Spain’s militarized police force, the Civil Guard, to round up over a dozen Catalan officials in dawn raids. Many of them now face crushing daily fines of up to €12,000.
Nukedog wrote:HAHAHAHA I hope this happens. Give them independence and they will open their borders and be reconquered by Muslims in a single generation.
I'm fucking tired of Europe. Call us when you want us to invade again.
We're adding stars to the flag, or nothing at all.
GrumpyCatFace wrote:Dumb slut partied too hard and woke up in a weird house. Ran out the door, weeping for her failed life choices, concerned townsfolk notes her appearance and alerted the fuzz.
Normally I would just call that braggadocio but wtf is even the point of invading again? I swear to fuck it hasn't advanced anything other than cultural decay. Saving them from Germany and Russia. Why? Yeah give us something better next time. And they will be lucky if it happens again. LOL the notion of a bunch of mystery meat Americans having to bail them out from Muslims and chinks. Just
Madrid’s crackdown on Catalonia is already having one major consequence, presumably unintended: many Catalans who were until recently staunchly opposed to the idea of national independence are now reconsidering their options.
The middle ground they and hundreds of thousands of others once occupied was obliterated yesterday when a judge in Barcelona ordered Spain’s militarized police force, the Civil Guard, to round up over a dozen Catalan officials in dawn raids. Many of them now face crushing daily fines of up to €12,000.
I hope Catalonia gains their independence, as long as it's supported by the Catalonian population. If that's the case, Spain will see reason, and it will all go well without any violent conflict.
But it's a problem if this independence movement does not have majority support, but an extremely vocal minority. In that case, both Spain and Catalonia are in a bit of a pickle.
Madrid’s crackdown on Catalonia is already having one major consequence, presumably unintended: many Catalans who were until recently staunchly opposed to the idea of national independence are now reconsidering their options.
The middle ground they and hundreds of thousands of others once occupied was obliterated yesterday when a judge in Barcelona ordered Spain’s militarized police force, the Civil Guard, to round up over a dozen Catalan officials in dawn raids. Many of them now face crushing daily fines of up to €12,000.
Civil war unlikely.
Political instability oh sure, but likely this independece fight goes more like the Scottish Independence effort that we have seen.
You see those calling for referendums aren't the ones who are through talking and are grabbing their rifles. One is a long way from a civil war.
Also, the Spanish economy isn't spiralling out of control.
Spanish separatists using violence to gain independance has been tried before, I think the failure of the Basque movement will discourage a violent attempt. Independance referendums are tricky though as they can easily be subverted into a popularity contest for the govt rather than address the actual independance issues. Trust me I know how it works......
Info about the consequences will be hidden amongst all the false data and partizan manoeuvres of the politicians and media.
Boris is still repeating the £350m a week lie, did it again this week.
For legal reasons, we are not threatening to destroy U.S. government property with our glorious medieval siege engine. But if we wanted to, we could. But we won’t. But we could.
Montegriffo wrote:Spanish separatists using violence to gain independance has been tried before, I think the failure of the Basque movement will discourage a violent attempt. Independance referendums are tricky though as they can easily be subverted into a popularity contest for the govt rather than address the actual independance issues. Trust me I know how it works......
Info about the consequences will be hidden amongst all the false data and partizan manoeuvres of the politicians and media.
Boris is still repeating the £350m a week lie, did it again this week.
Regional terrorists like in Basque are way more easy to subdue than international terrorists.
Speaker to Animals wrote:I think chances are good there will be a Basque nation by the end of the century. Would they still call it Navarra?
If they do get their independence they can call it anything they want. The Irish call their country, Republic of Ireland, and not Erie. For the Basque, they could keep it Basque or they would do what the Irish did and just keep it the same. Or they do what Myanmar did and rename their country.
Independance referendums are tricky though as they can easily be subverted into a popularity contest for the govt rather than address the actual independance issues. Trust me I know how it works......
