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Medicare For All: See Your Future

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:48 am
by Fife
Sometimes the robot will give you Dr. Max Headroom.

Sometimes the robot will give you some nice potassium chloride in your drip.

Do any of you know any grown-ups, anywhere, who have the slightest actual belief that "healthcare" of the state, by the state, and for the state is or will be anything less than an IRL horror movie?

Anyone??


Doctor tells patient he doesn't have long to live through hospital robot's video screen
FREMONT, Calif. (KTVU) - When Ernest Quintana went into Kaiser Permanente Medical Center's emergency department in Fremont on Sunday, his wife of 58 years, his son, daughter and granddaughter all worried about the 79-year-old man.

They say it was hard enough to learn that his lungs were failing, but they couldn't believe it when a hospital robot entered his room and they got the news through a doctor on the robot's video screen.

Quintana's granddaughter was in the ICU by his side, and she said at first the nurse came in.

"The nurse came around and said the doctor was going to make rounds and I thought 'OK, no big deal, I'm here,' " said Annalisia Wilharm.

A short time later, a robot arrived in the room. A doctor appeared on a video screen. Wilharm took cell phone video so she could show her mother and grandmother the test results.

"When I took the video, I didn't realize all of this was going to unfold," she said.

Over the robot's video screen, Wilharm says she and her grandfather learned that Quintana's lungs were failing and he did not have long to live.

"You might not make it home," the doctor said on the screen.

Re: Medicare For All: See Your Future

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:49 am
by Ex-California
That's only if you survive the wait

Re: Medicare For All: See Your Future

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 7:52 am
by Fife
Unfortunately true. Actually getting to Dr. Max Headroom is going to feel like a "win" soon enough.

Re: Medicare For All: See Your Future

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:10 am
by GloryofGreece
The rolling out and eventual dominance of the HMO really started to fuck shit up for the common man.

Re: Medicare For All: See Your Future

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:22 am
by Ex-California
GloryofGreece wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 8:10 am The rolling out and eventual dominance of the HMO really started to fuck shit up for the common man.
I think the problem happened earlier than that. While Europe went full socialized medicine while we were paying for the defense of the free world, US companies started providing health insurance to their employees. This allowed the whole system to get out of the true free market and end-users never saw what they were actually paying until it was too late. And now, here we are.

Re: Medicare For All: See Your Future

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:25 am
by Speaker to Animals
On the contrarian side of this: due to rising costs and shrink8ng talent pools (yay, diversity), without robotics and telecinferencing, a lot of people would not get any healthcare at all.

Re: Medicare For All: See Your Future

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:26 am
by Smitty-48
I have faith in the Swiss, they know how to run shit, private pays for public basic, in return, profit is allowed for those who want more.

The flaw in Obamacare? Didn't make the private pay for the public basic, so no cost controls.

Obamacare for the Swiss takes care of that problem.

Re: Medicare For All: See Your Future

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:29 am
by Ex-California
Smitty-48 wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:26 am I have faith in the Swiss, they know how to run shit, private pays for public basic, in return, profit is allowed for those who want more.

The flaw in Obamacare? Didn't make the private pay for the public basic, so no cost controls.
The Swiss seem to have nearly everything figured out Unfortunately, I don't think its scalable to a mutlicultural mega-nation

Re: Medicare For All: See Your Future

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:29 am
by Smitty-48
California wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:29 am
Smitty-48 wrote: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:26 am I have faith in the Swiss, they know how to run shit, private pays for public basic, in return, profit is allowed for those who want more.

The flaw in Obamacare? Didn't make the private pay for the public basic, so no cost controls.
The Swiss seem to have nearly everything figured out Unfortunately, I don't think its scalable to a mutlicultural mega-nation
Not everything, but they do have the best healthcare system in the world.

In terms of Canadian healthcare, I would just contract it out to the Swiss, get rid of the Canadians in the system, they are the problem.

The Swiss know how to socialism; somebody has to pay for it, make the insurance companies pay for it.

Re: Medicare For All: See Your Future

Posted: Sat Mar 09, 2019 11:45 am
by Smitty-48
This was in fact what Obamacare was supposed to be, but the Democrats caved into the lobbyists and removed the part where the insurance companies would be bound to provide basic healthcare in return for making profits otherwise.