The short period when big scale historical movies were cool

[Fife]

Smallpox blankets and mercury-infused moonshine.

[TheReal_ND]

I hear that story a lot. Has this ever been debunked or nah?

[heydaralon]

I didn't even mention the Trail of Tears.
I just said the Cherokees owned slaves and it triggered GCF into instantly accusing me of being Andrew Jackson.

Well, you kind of are like Andy J....... But that doesn't apply here.
Standard Libtard debate rules to put you on the defensive and get you talking about how Whitey did some shit wrong to some brown person.

....therefore the Trail of Tears was justified? Man, you are batting .000 today.

No, don't go there, that's a separate issue.

Native Americans should have to answer for their own inhumanity, instead of bypassing it to blame whitey

On the reservations up north once winter is over the kids finally get to run around and play outside. A cop has to follow them around and put out all the fires they start. They don't call them wagon burners for nothing.

Well there are good reasons for their current miserable state. They followed all the rules, and the United States ruin them because they were not white and were well off.

They were very prosperous, counted as among the Five Civilized Tribes (where we got some of the inspiration for the Constitution), and were not European. Their current poverty is the direct result of their expulsion, and the theft of all their land, homes, and other property due to greed, and racism. The Cherokees made the mistake of believing in the rule of law. The idiots. Old bloodthirsty racist Andrew Jackson basically said (after the Supreme Court ruled the expulsions illegal) that the the courts were welcome to try to stop him using their own army.

Whinging about how they had slaves is BS. Plenty of white Southerners owned humans too, and paid for it during the Civil War. Nobody ever said that that it was fine to steal all their stuff, and exile them, because of it.

If Andrew Jackson was such an evil guy, how did he make the $20 bill? He's worth four times as much as Lincoln. Jackson's greatest feat was getting some Indian Tribe to trade the entire Midwest territory for a handful of fireworks and a jumbo size bag of Jack Link's beef jerky. Sometimes a savage has to feed his wild side...

[heydaralon]

I hear that story a lot. Has this ever been debunked or nah?

I think its an urban legend. I remember hearing about that in middle school but I think I read somewhere that its bullshit. Anyway, even if the blankets had smallpox it wouldn't stand up to superior Indian magic and medicine. The Chief would have had a buffalo piss on the blanket and then rubbed his scrotum on it while chanting to ward off the smallpox. If some Indians got sick it was because they performed the spell wrong. Can't blame whitey for that one.

[jbird4049]

I hear that story a lot. Has this ever been debunked or nah?

It's definitely maybe!

There are some letters by British officials/officers suggesting that it be done. Smallpox was everywhere back then, and tended to kill any race in job lots. It's just the Europeans' job lots tended to be smaller, but that ain't saying much. So maybe they did. Maybe they didn't. And maybe there was an epidemic going on whatever they were going to do.

Also using infectious clothing, corpses, and animals as disease bombs has been a thing for at least 5,000 years.

[jbird4049]

Well, you kind of are like Andy J....... But that doesn't apply here.
Standard Libtard debate rules to put you on the defensive and get you talking about how Whitey did some shit wrong to some brown person.

No, don't go there, that's a separate issue.

Native Americans should have to answer for their own inhumanity, instead of bypassing it to blame whitey

On the reservations up north once winter is over the kids finally get to run around and play outside. A cop has to follow them around and put out all the fires they start. They don't call them wagon burners for nothing.

Well there are good reasons for their current miserable state. They followed all the rules, and the United States ruin them because they were not white and were well off.

They were very prosperous, counted as among the Five Civilized Tribes (where we got some of the inspiration for the Constitution), and were not European. Their current poverty is the direct result of their expulsion, and the theft of all their land, homes, and other property due to greed, and racism. The Cherokees made the mistake of believing in the rule of law. The idiots. Old bloodthirsty racist Andrew Jackson basically said (after the Supreme Court ruled the expulsions illegal) that the the courts were welcome to try to stop him using their own army.

Whinging about how they had slaves is BS. Plenty of white Southerners owned humans too, and paid for it during the Civil War. Nobody ever said that that it was fine to steal all their stuff, and exile them, because of it.

Cause it was them nasty savages, and New Orleans. He had some fabulous propaganda.
If Andrew Jackson was such an evil guy, how did he make the $20 bill? He's worth four times as much as Lincoln. Jackson's greatest feat was getting some Indian Tribe to trade the entire Midwest territory for a handful of fireworks and a jumbo size bag of Jack Link's beef jerky. Sometimes a savage has to feed his wild side...

[TheReal_ND]

Reported

[heydaralon]

Reported

You should read about what some colonel did to the Apaches. He put a cannon loaded with grapeshot in a wagon, covered the wagon with a tarp, rode it into Indian territory, and started handing out trinkets to the Indians. When enough Indians gathered around, he lit the fuse, and annihilated a crowd of them. Its in the book the Conquest of Apacheria. Crazy stuff. The Old West was a wild place.

[TheReal_ND]

This rings true.

[SuburbanFarmer]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_Pitt

In one instance, as recorded in his journal by sundries trader and militia Captain, William Trent, on June 24, 1763, dignitaries from the Delaware tribe met with Fort Pitt officials, warned them of "great numbers of Indians" coming to attack the fort, and pleaded with them to leave the fort while there was still time. The commander of the fort refused to abandon the fort. Instead, the British gave as gifts two blankets, one silk handkerchief and one linen from the smallpox hospital,[10] to two Delaware delegates after the parley, a principal warrior named Turtleheart, and Maumaultee, a Chief. The tainted gifts were, according to their inventory accounts, given to the Indian dignitaries "to Convey the Smallpox to the Indians".[11][12]