THE ERA OF TRUMP

[C-Mag]

All we really need is a good minefield . Let's Hunger Games up the Southern Border.

[TheReal_ND]

I want an international hungers games where each nation is represented by an ethnicity of their own nation. England can be a Welshman and America can be Pablo.

[Speaker to Animals]

Okay. More data. The average fuel cost to ship material in a transport ship is 514 miles/gallon per ton.

http://business.tenntom.org/why-use-the ... mparisons/

So the comparable data point is something like 171 miles per dollar per ton.
If your cost is about 0.07 per mile per ton on a pipeline, that 171 miles would cost you $11.97.

But.. your trip is quite a lot shorter, and you don't have to pay Panama that $81 per container.

It might actually be doable. Panama would be pissed, though.

[Okeefenokee]

Okay. More data. The average fuel cost to ship material in a transport ship is 514 miles/gallon per ton.

http://business.tenntom.org/why-use-the ... mparisons/

So the comparable data point is something like 171 miles per dollar per ton.
If your cost is about 0.07 per mile per ton on a pipeline, that 171 miles would cost you $11.97.

But.. your trip is quite a lot shorter, and you don't have to pay Panama that $81 per container.

It might actually be doable. Panama would be pissed, though.

They know their day is coming. They're expanding the canal to provide more traffic, because shipping lines are saying, "fuck it. we'll just go around SA."

[TheReal_ND]

81 per. How many containers we talking on your typical jap hauler?

[Speaker to Animals]

The main problem is that Mexico could do the same thing more cheaply, since they would have less ground to cover.

[Speaker to Animals]

81 per. How many containers we talking on your typical jap hauler?

An average of around 18,000 per ship.

[Okeefenokee]

Cool ditch, dawg.

[jbird4049]

Note:
I went off last night now I'm 30 pages behind. You folks are really dusting it up on this one.

I have philosophical problem with what appears at first glance to be common sense. Controlling the countries borders and immigration is inherently a government responsibility. Private citizens should not be forced to do the work and incur the costs of an inherently government function.

Are you kidding? I guess the government can compensate businesses for the 30 second search they had to do.

I'm sorry, your SSN is not valid, so we cannot hire you.

WRONG - they system is already on line and has been for years! It's call the Social Security Number Verification Service.
https://www.ssa.gov/employer/ssnv.htm as is E-Verify https://www.uscis.gov/e-verify/question ... on-service

But employers aren't necessarily using it. What you are talking about is making it criminal for an employer to verify the identity of a person. Sorry, that's forcing an employer to do the governments job under the threat of criminal penalty.

Further we're not just talking about jobs. We are also talking about the impact to infrastructure and services paid for by American taxpayers, we are also talking about health and disease concerns, and we are talking about how illegal immigration keeps working wages down for average US citizens.

We know who all the vegetable and fruit picking companies are. Really not difficult to go to the owner and ask to see their employment rolls.

The reality is, Carlus, that if we wanted to fix this problem, we would.

Do you want the problem fixed ?

It is the corruption that is the cause of all this. The laws about hiring illegal immigrants are not seriously enforced. It is like the financial industry. Look at Wells Fargo, or Goldman Sachs. Any serious enforcement of the law were stop the abuses, especially if the fines were bigger than the money stolen, and if so of the executives in charge, not the employees, were frog marched.

The big, and not big, agribusinesses, and housing builders use them as to drive wages. Indeed, because the unions at meatpacking plants were busted using such scabs, the wages, and working conditions have gotten really bad there.

Aside from the farm workers, those doing the actually picking, which is rarely organized, and almost always poorly paid, most of the agribusinesses(including meat packing), and construction industries, were unionized, and used American workers. Since houses, and offices, were always being built, and food was still cheap, then, why can't we have the same conditions now? The money saved by these illegal tactics are going to the customers, and they sure as Hell not going towards the workers. All that sweet profit is going to the upper management, and the owners. If the regulators cause any real problems, the lobbyists get them called off, or gets Congress to cut their funding again.

[Okeefenokee]

How those little tug boats work? The fuck are they up to?