A perspective on Hitler's motivations

[GloryofGreece]

No. He's a true believer. That guy spent a significant part of his career figuring out how to stop fascism. I think he's using the SJWs to gain the notoriety he needs to accomplish his goals.

To be clear, I don't think he's gunning to hurt the people in the alt-right personally. I think he will try to destroy the alt-right as a viable ideology which, honestly, shouldn't be difficult given their version of the feminist patriarchy (the JQ), among other things.

Because he thinks the "alt right and left" are faulty ideologies that lead to totalitarian systems, or why would you think he wants to nip it in the bud?

His whole worldview opposes totalitarianism. But I doubt he worries as much about the Marxists as he does about the alt-right. I suspect, from his perspective, the dummies in the various Marxist movements are only good for paving the way for fascists to come to power which, historically, is how it happened in numerous places. So by confronting the Marxists he tries to avert the fascist consequences of their politics. Alt-right are the main target, though.

He also most assuredly opposes chaos as well. He doesn't want totalitarian "order" either. So you think he just see the Alt-right as the eventual conclusion after the dust settles and that will look like totalitarianism of some sort? What's the closest America has really gotten to that kind of control in your opinion?

[TheReal_ND]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

Maybe this imo. For all intents an purposes, I don't see any clear distinction from their supposed aims and our current government

[GloryofGreece]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot

Maybe this imo. For all intents an purposes, I don't see any clear distinction from their supposed aims and our current government

That would certainly be one of the most clear examples of a small group of individuals wielding immense political power. Oligarchy inside the "Republic" , but I meant when did the government have the most control over people's free expression, assembly, religion, due process etc.?

[Speaker to Animals]

but I meant when did the government have the most control over people's free expression, assembly, religion, due process etc.?

7 Sep 2017

Ask me tomorrow and I will tick the counter up by a day.

[C-Mag]

What motivation do you infer from that, seeing as how we are confident we can pierce the veil of another's mind by looking at the results?

Having a bunch of America hating perverts running around doing as they will is an end state, not a motivation.

When you look at what really got BHO fired up, and where he focused gettin laws changed, pick your bathroom, shit like that

[Hanarchy Montanarchy]

What motivation do you infer from that, seeing as how we are confident we can pierce the veil of another's mind by looking at the results?

Having a bunch of America hating perverts running around doing as they will is an end state, not a motivation.

When you look at what really got BHO fired up, and where he focused gettin laws changed, pick your bathroom, shit like that

That is the goal. What is the motivation.

[C-Mag]

BHO was motivated by sexual hedonism , hate of US traditions and to be kind sympathy to Muslim shiites

[TheReal_ND]

I believe the motivation is the progressive urge to constantly seek new persecution complexes to champion combined with an indoctrination of white guilt for perceived past crimes.

[Smitty-48]

Peterson is completely wrong on this, the primary motivation for liquidation during the war was exactly due to the drain on resources, they didn't have enough resources to supervise them as slave labour because those troops were needed at the front, and the Konzentrationslager themselves were a drain on men and material, and more over, the camps were becoming breeding grounds for disease, and that disease was spreading to the staff, and they feared it would spread to the army from there.

Hitler himself did not plan, direct, nor even order the operation, it was all devised at Wansee by Heydrich and Eichmann, Hitler deliberately put himself at arms length from the decision and left it all up to the SS.

What were the motivations to have millions of slaves in the first place (not just jews but all the various groups)? Is it really more efficient for production instead of using loyal countrymen instead? Are you arguing that Hitler and the Nazi state initially and well into the War did not want to eliminate different ethnic groups, they just wanted to enslave them indefinitely?

Well, the Nazi plan evolved with the war and became more extreme as the war became more extreme, and the holocaust was not actually a single planned event, it went in stages and escalated along the way as the situtation became more desperate.

It's like America in Vietnam, perhaps America did not set out to liquidate 3 million Vietnamese in an undeclared illegal war, but America definitely intended to kill quite a few of them to achieve America's geopolitical objective, but does that make Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and Nixon symbols of ultimate evil?

Bear in mind, the Nazi plan for the conquest of the East, was essentially based on the conquest of the American West. Hitler's real "crime" in the context of his times, is that he was doing to Europeans what Europeans up until that point had only done overseas, enslaving and ethnic cleasning against Europeans was the big no-no, but if he had done it in Africa nobody would have cared, well, except the Africans of course, but he wouldn't be the symbol of ultimate evil in our history books for it.

The problem for the Germans, was that Britain, France and America pretty much had the overseas enslavement and ethnic cleansing market locked up, Germany's long sought after Place in the Sun, really didn't have a whole lot of options, so the Germans broke the rules, and tried to make their place in the sun, right in Europe itself.

The irony of white supremacists affiliating themselves with the Nazis, is that the Nazis were actually the ones who turned on the White Race, and that, was their great crime in the end, Hitler's elevation to the sympbol of ultimate evil, is a result of Hitler turning the tables on Whitey for a change.

Morality is actually subjective, what you can get away with doing to Poland and what you can get away with doing to Vietnam, two totally different ballgames apparently.

[Speaker to Animals]

"undeclared illegal war"