Best American General of All Time?

[Smitty-48]

I find the Grassy Knoll scenario to be totally unfounded.

I am convinced that the shooter was in the book depository.

I am simply not convinced that said shooter was Oswald.

[heydaralon]

I do not think that many politicians, especially ones living in large NorthEastern cities, could get elected without mafia influence, because the mafia controlled unions, construction, and trucking, and entertainment. Idk if it is still that bad today, but a lot of those mafia people lived in a state within a state. The godfather was a tad bit exaggerated, but those dudes ran their operations like fiefdoms before RICO. That book Wiseguy (the one Goodfellas is based on) discussed how they would buy juries, judges, local politicians etc.

[Smitty-48]

I don't think The Godfather is that exaggerated.

From Prohibition to the sixties, I think The Godfather is pretty realistic actually.

[heydaralon]

I find the Grassy Knoll scenario to be totally unfounded.

I am convinced that the shooter was in the book depository.

I am simply not convinced that said shooter was Oswald.

Oswald may have been a patsy, but i don't get why he was there that day. You mentioned he was a slacker with a general cynicism for the system and almost a fatalistic outlook. Why go see a presidential parade?

[heydaralon]

Why did Oswald waste the cop? Even if he didn't kill Kennedy, it seems weird that he would just freak out like that unless he had something to hide.

[Smitty-48]

I find the Grassy Knoll scenario to be totally unfounded.

I am convinced that the shooter was in the book depository.

I am simply not convinced that said shooter was Oswald.

Oswald may have been a patsy, but i don't get why he was there that day. You mentioned he was a slacker with a general cynicism for the system and almost a fatalistic outlook. Why go see a presidential parade?

He was a rabble rouser, he was a trouble maker, he was a wingnut, but he wasn't stupid, he wasn't naive, and by 1963, he was totally cynical, the whole trip to the Soviet Union pretty much disillusioned him.

But that is why it makes no sense that he would shoot Kennedy.

Oswald was not the sort of idealist who would be thinking that would make any difference.

That leaves us with attention seeker, but if attention seeker, why would he invoke "patsy"?

If he was an attention seeker, he would claim credit.

He wasn't a idealistic crusader, he was more of a con man.

He wasn't crazy, and if he wanted attention, he would have owned it.

[Smitty-48]

Why did Oswald waste the cop? Even if he didn't kill Kennedy, it seems weird that he would just freak out like that unless he had something to hide.

Not at all. By this point he would have realized that he had been framed, so he was trying to shoot his way out of it, since he knew nobody would believe him, he's got to get Mexico somehow, the cop was simply in his way.

[heydaralon]

I wish they had a chance to pump him for info before Ruby iced him. Fucking ridiculous. Did they ever investigate whether anyone in Ruby's family got some kind of large cash payout after he shot Oswald? To me, that would seal the deal and prove that it was a mob hit of some kind. I can see Ruby doing a suicide mission if some third party agreed that they'd take good care of his family after he was gone. The guy was dying of cancer anyway, so fuck it, why not feather his family nest? I'm sure they have looked into this, but I'd be very curious to see if the Ruby family got some money wired into an account somewhere.

[Smitty-48]

See, Oswald didn't say "framed".

Oswald said "Patsy"

This seems like Oswald is aware something was going down and he was part of it, but he was simply the fall guy, not the shooter.

[Smitty-48]

I wish they had a chance to pump him for info before Ruby iced him.

That's called "cleaning up loose ends"

Ruby is the hit man sent to silence the patsy.

Ruby would not have known what the patsy knew, so even when they arrest Ruby, they got nothin'.