DACA

[DBTrek]

All the people who were high-tailing it to Canada to get away from the Cheeto-In-Chief and alt-right "AmeriKKKA" sure are keen on having a bunch of poor, unsuspecting, "browns" forced to stay behind in the racist land of tyranny.

Odd.

[Speaker to Animals]

But that IS punishment right there.

Repatriating people to their own countries is not "punishment", Penner.

If they were brought he at an age, like 5 or 6, and never even step foot in "their" old country ever again, then yeah, it is a punishment.

You are not operating under any legitimate definition of the word punishment. You're being hysterical. These people are perfectly able to apply for citizenship once they arrive in their home countries. Just like everybody else.

[The Conservative]

But that IS punishment right there.

Repatriating people to their own countries is not "punishment", Penner.

If they were brought he at an age, like 5 or 6, and never even step foot in "their" old country ever again, then yeah, it is a punishment.

Punishment would be working one year hard labor for every year they were in th his country illegally.

[Penner]

You guys seem to be pretty ruthless and very apathetic. I mean you have a group of people that came here as children and grew up here. They were able to find a job, a family, etc... but then you guys are willing to just uproot these people's lives and send them to a foreign country.

[Speaker to Animals]

You guys seem to be pretty ruthless and very apathetic. I mean you have a group of people that came here as children and grew up here. They were able to find a job, a family, etc... but then you guys are willing to just uproot these people's lives and send them to a foreign country.

Quite the opposite. We are being compassionate and caring about the AMERICAN PEOPLE who are getting fucked over by these illegal immigrants.

[DBTrek]

You guys seem to be pretty ruthless and very apathetic. I mean you have a group of people that came here as children and grew up here. They were able to find a job, a family, etc... but then you guys are willing to just uproot these people's lives and send them to a foreign country.

I don't think it's necessary to send out squads of DACA hunting operatives to remove "Dreamers" from the nation.
I think it is important, however, to draw a distinct line between what constitutes a citizen and what does not.
If a Dreamer wants to apply for citizenship I'm ok with fast-tracking them, should they have a clean record and an interest in being a net benefit to American society.
If they choose not to be citizens, but rather to gamble a future deportation, then that's fine too.

But it's hardly barbaric or heartless to set rules on citizenship in the USA.
The fact that we have such a large portion of our own populace engaging in hysterics over non-citizens being properly identified is shameful.
Maybe you all should start caring a little more about your own countrymen before fighting for everyone-but-Americans, eh?

[Penner]

You guys seem to be pretty ruthless and very apathetic. I mean you have a group of people that came here as children and grew up here. They were able to find a job, a family, etc... but then you guys are willing to just uproot these people's lives and send them to a foreign country.

I don't think it's necessary to send out squads of DACA hunting operatives to remove "Dreamers" from the nation.
I think it is important, however, to draw a distinct line between what constitutes a citizen and what does not.
If a Dreamer wants to apply for citizenship I'm ok with fast-tracking them, should they have a clean record and an interest in being a net benefit to American society.
If they choose not to be citizens, but rather to gamble a future deportation, then that's fine too.

But it's hardly barbaric or heartless to set rules on citizenship in the USA.
The fact that we have such a large portion of our own populace engaging in hysterics over non-citizens being properly identified is shameful.
Maybe you all should start caring a little more about your own countrymen before fighting for everyone-but-Americans, eh?

But they are pretty much our fellow Americans aside from their place of birth. I agree if they have committed a crime (other than entering illegally as a child) and/or a gang member throw them out. But to throw ALL of them out because they had to go with the only two people on the planet that would've kept them alive when they were too young to take care of themselves, decided for them that they were going to live in another country, and then raised them here, is heartless. I am all for fast tracking them as citizens and DACA already had very narrowed requirements where all of these people can be fast tracked (and if anyone gamed the system then throw them out as well). But overall, they either have a job, served in the military, went/go to college, they speak English, they all had to come over when they were 16 and under, have no criminal record, etc....

[DBTrek]

But they are pretty much our fellow Americans aside from their place of birth.

Read that sentence to yourself about fifty times and then explain to me how you're not a nonsense peddler.
You could literally apply that sentence to all 7+ billion people on earth.
C'mon, man. Do better.

[Penner]

But they are pretty much our fellow Americans aside from their place of birth.

Read that sentence to yourself about fifty times and then explain to me how you're not a nonsense peddler.
You could literally apply that sentence to all 7+ billion people on earth.
C'mon, man. Do better.

What you are not seeing is that they are pretty much loyal Americans. They serve in our military, they have become first responders, they have gone to our college, etc.... They were raised here and spent most of their lives here.

[DBTrek]

All 800,000+ of them (almost a million) are ex-soldiers and first responders?
Pretty damn doubtful.

Not to mention - US citizenship isn't based on being a first responder.
So instead of hating the rules, savagely disadvantaging all the honest foreigners who follow the rules to become citizens, and pissing on American citizenship in general - how about you play by the rules and respect them?

Is that such a monumental ask of a fellow American in 2017?