The Deep State

[pineapplemike]

Remember, the left was the only side that even cared about NSA spying. Snowden was a traitor to the right.

Not sure how I feel about this comment. I don't think the right was particularly thrilled about Snowden, especially the establishment wing (freedom caucus was pretty critical though, right?), but the left was pretty disinterested in it, or hostile, even to the point where David Gregory asked Glenn Greenwald why shouldn’t he be charged with a crime? https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3486654

Maybe I'm misremembering things but I felt most of the blowback came from the right.

[SuburbanFarmer]

Remember, the left was the only side that even cared about NSA spying. Snowden was a traitor to the right.

Not sure how I feel about this comment. I don't think the right was particularly thrilled about Snowden, especially the establishment wing (freedom caucus was pretty critical though, right?), but the left was pretty disinterested in it, or hostile, even to the point where David Gregory asked Glenn Greenwald why shouldn’t he be charged with a crime? https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3486654

Maybe I'm misremembering things but I felt most of the blowback came from the right.

Not talking about the media. They were instructed to thoroughly ignore him. I’m talking about people on the ground.

The DCF had an entire thread about his “traitorousness”, and how he should be strung up. Same with Manning, same with the rest.

The “leftist” Hollywood machine turned out a pretty good movie about him, and it was ignored.

[Speaker to Animals]

Remember, the left was the only side that even cared about NSA spying. Snowden was a traitor to the right.

Not sure how I feel about this comment. I don't think the right was particularly thrilled about Snowden, especially the establishment wing (freedom caucus was pretty critical though, right?), but the left was pretty disinterested in it, or hostile, even to the point where David Gregory asked Glenn Greenwald why shouldn’t he be charged with a crime? https://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/3486654

Maybe I'm misremembering things but I felt most of the blowback came from the right.

Not talking about the media. They were instructed to thoroughly ignore him. I’m talking about people on the ground.

The DCF had an entire thread about his “traitorousness”, and how he should be strung up. Same with Manning, same with the rest.

The “leftist” Hollywood machine turned out a pretty good movie about him, and it was ignored.

You mean the thread where Canadians were talking about executing him as a traitor but the Americans were defending him? Yeah. I remember that.

[pineapplemike]

Hm, I wish I could remember if I was posting on the DCF at that time, if only we still had access to the forum and could go back and look.

As for Congress, they weren't very pro-Snowden

Reactions to the global surveillance disclosures among members of the U.S. Congress initially were largely negative.[66] Speaker of the House John Boehner[67] and senators Dianne Feinstein[68] and Bill Nelson[69] called Snowden a traitor, and several senators and representatives joined them in calling for Snowden's arrest and prosecution.

I also remember the Amash amendment that failed

A bi-partisan surveillance amendment that would have defunded the NSA's phone metadata collection program failed to pass an unlikely House vote on Wednesday. But the results of the vote are quite notable. The amendment, introduced by Republican Justin Amash, failed 205-217, just a 12-vote margin. And despite its GOP origins, more Democrats than Republicans voted for it.

On the ground I'm not sure what you mean specifically. I never saw that Snowden Hollywood movie but I heard the CitizenFour documentary was good. I followed that scandal pretty closely so watching a documentary or movie on it seemed redundant

[SuburbanFarmer]

Hm, I wish I could remember if I was posting on the DCF at that time, if only we still had access to the forum and could go back and look.

As for Congress, they weren't very pro-Snowden

Reactions to the global surveillance disclosures among members of the U.S. Congress initially were largely negative.[66] Speaker of the House John Boehner[67] and senators Dianne Feinstein[68] and Bill Nelson[69] called Snowden a traitor, and several senators and representatives joined them in calling for Snowden's arrest and prosecution.

I also remember the Amash amendment that failed

A bi-partisan surveillance amendment that would have defunded the NSA's phone metadata collection program failed to pass an unlikely House vote on Wednesday. But the results of the vote are quite notable. The amendment, introduced by Republican Justin Amash, failed 205-217, just a 12-vote margin. And despite its GOP origins, more Democrats than Republicans voted for it.

On the ground I'm not sure what you mean specifically. I never saw that Snowden Hollywood movie but I heard the CitizenFour documentary was good. I followed that scandal pretty closely so watching a documentary or movie on it seemed redundant

Directed by Oliver Stone, starring JGL.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snowden_(film)

[Fife]

Stone, and I assume whatever a JGL is, is/are AIDS.

[pineapplemike]

^^ Joseph Gordon Levitt

The “leftist” Hollywood machine turned out a pretty good movie about him, and it was ignored.

Based on this quote from the Wikipedia link you sent, it sounds like leftist Hollywood wasn't too stoked to support the film

"It's a very strange thing to do [a story about] an American man, and not be able to finance this movie in America. And that's very disturbing, if you think about its implications on any subject that is not overtly pro-American. They say we have freedom of expression; but thought is financed, and thought is controlled, and the media is controlled. This country is very tight on that, and there's no criticism allowed at a certain level. You can make movies about civil rights leaders who are dead, but it's not easy to make one about a current man."
—Oliver Stone, director of Snowden, on the difficulty of making the film in the U.S.

[Okeefenokee]

All of this publicly known information and yet people still hold the three-letter-abbreviation institutions in high regard.

Admittedly their level of public support is at near lows IIRC, but there seemed to be a resurgence once their enemy was Donald Trump. Lots of leftys sided with the FBINSACIA for what I imagined was an enemy-of-my-enemy strategy, sort of the same reason I and many others are sympathetic to Donald Trump because of the enemy-of-my-enemy strategy. I guess leftys turned a blind eye to the IRS/NSA/CIA scandals through the Obama era and were surprised to find out that people supported Donald Trump instead of the "deep state."

I had high hopes that trust in these institutions and government in general would plummet as a result of Donald Trump leading the government, but I didn't expect the government to fight back against him and simultaneously gain support from the public.

The 2016 election continues to upend political norms and teach lessons to political observers

I don’t think most people are making that connection, or actually believe that Trump will do anything about the deep state.

Remember, the left was the only side that even cared about NSA spying. Snowden was a traitor to the right. The patriot act was also enacted by the right.

I’m starting to think that most of the current uproar is being pumped up to distract from the burning of the constitution.

Sad.

[C-Mag]

I only remember my stance on this stuff. It really hasn't changed.........

If you are going to be a whistle blower, you will pay a price. Whistleblowers will get lynched to one degree or another.

I felt Snowden did what he did out of beliefs, but by law, it was espionage, and he needed to pay a price.

I have harsher criticism on Bradley Manning, who I felt betrayed his military oath and his fellow Soldiers with intent to do harm, not improve things. I felt Courts Martial fully appropriate for Manning and a life sentence in Leavenworth breaking rocks.

[Okeefenokee]

I only remember my stance on this stuff. It really hasn't changed.........

If you are going to be a whistle blower, you will pay a price. Whistleblowers will get lynched to one degree or another.

I felt Snowden did what he did out of beliefs, but by law, it was espionage, and he needed to pay a price.

I have harsher criticism on Bradley Manning, who I felt betrayed his military oath and his fellow Soldiers with intent to do harm, not improve things. I felt Courts Martial fully appropriate for Manning and a life sentence in Leavenworth breaking rocks.

Manning is clearly a traitor. He admittedly exposed classified information with the intent to cause harm. Of course Obama pardoned an admitted traitor. Just like he tried to rescue the traitor Bergdahl.