The Mess

[Okeefenokee]

They seem extraneous, to say the least. The entire planet is within land-based range - especially for bombers. We were flying from Georgia to Iraq in a single mission in the 90s.

Yeah but if the planes are launched from further away the enemy has more warning and it is harder to return safely to base. Mobile air bases that float can come in handy in such scenarios, don't front like they don't because they aren't as useful now that US has more ground based air bases worldwide, they still have their uses.

Plus, don't you want us to reel in all those forces spread far and wide in foreign lands? Don't ya think the cvs will be a little more valuable then?

[Montegriffo]

Dude. 800 military bases across the globe. Where can we not launch a jet from, at this point?

800? Dude it was 700 a week ago, you got to stop building them that's madness.

[SuburbanFarmer]

They seem extraneous, to say the least. The entire planet is within land-based range - especially for bombers. We were flying from Georgia to Iraq in a single mission in the 90s.

Yeah but if the planes are launched from further away the enemy has more warning and it is harder to return safely to base. Mobile air bases that float can come in handy in such scenarios, don't front like they don't because they aren't as useful now that US has more ground based air bases worldwide, they still have their uses. Naval surface vessels being less useful than in their heyday hardly renders them obsolete.

In any sort of rational risk/reward analysis, most of the US Navy would be scrapped.

1 - Advance warning: Stealth bombers.
2 - Speed of attack: Jets
3 - Local assets: Drones

Cost of an aircraft carrier: 4-5 BILLION
US aircraft carriers - 19
Carrier groups of rest of planet combined - 20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_a ... in_service

What the fuck, dude. This is insanity.

[SuburbanFarmer]

They seem extraneous, to say the least. The entire planet is within land-based range - especially for bombers. We were flying from Georgia to Iraq in a single mission in the 90s.

Yeah but if the planes are launched from further away the enemy has more warning and it is harder to return safely to base. Mobile air bases that float can come in handy in such scenarios, don't front like they don't because they aren't as useful now that US has more ground based air bases worldwide, they still have their uses.

Plus, don't you want us to reel in all those forces spread far and wide in foreign lands? Don't ya think the cvs will be a little more valuable then?

Not unless you believe that scarcity determines value...

[StCapps]

[In any sort of rational risk/reward analysis, most of the US Navy would be scrapped.

1 - Advance warning: Stealth bombers.
2 - Speed of attack: Jets
3 - Local assets: Drones

These are not always a better option than Aircraft Carriers in all situations, despite your insistence that the US having these capabilities somehow renders them obsolete, it simply isn't true. It just makes them less effective than they were in their heyday, but there is no need to throw the baby out with bathwater. Launching stealth bombers and jets from a Aircraft Carrier mitigates advanced warning and increases the speed of attack, more than launching them from further away, this is a fact.

Cost of an aircraft carrier: 4-5 BILLION
US aircraft carrier groups - 19
Carrier groups of rest of planet combined - 20 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_a ... in_service

What the fuck, dude. This is insanity.

So you want to dial back the amount of aircraft carriers because you think it's overkill, still a long way from that position to surface naval vessels being obsolete. The former being true, does not lead to the latter conclusion.

[SuburbanFarmer]

There's literally no reason to have a surface navy, other than carriers. Maybe some humanitarian shit that could be done better by a cargo ship.

Note that I am not talking about the coasties. There's at least a point to that.

[Speaker to Animals]

Adapt the Aurora platform to run air strikes. Maybe even deploy kinetic rods from suborbit.

[Montegriffo]

Adapt the Aurora platform to run air strikes. Maybe even deploy kinetic rods from suborbit.

YAY Star Wars.
That's a great use of resources. not

[Ex-California]

Adapt the Aurora platform to run air strikes. Maybe even deploy kinetic rods from suborbit.

Rods from God?

Theoretically, those will FUCK SHIT UP

[Smitty-48]

The surface combatant is the constable of the seas, general purpose, their role is patrol and escort, they deter and influence by patrolling, they escort against submarine and air attack.

The submarine of the sniper of the seas, highly specialized, it's very good at what it does, but it really only does that and cannot do anything else.